(June 13, 2021 at 3:46 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 13, 2021 at 10:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Wrong again, on both counts.  We aren't made of stardust and water, and I have no owner.  Your great fairy has already been invited to make his claim, he doesn't seem to be as interested in the possession of a human being as you.

Noah never said shit to anybody.  He's a character in a story.  You don't really think that you could convince a person to be a slave by quoting luke from return of the jedi...do you?  I would love to hear more about just how many times your filthy god plans on killing a person.  The once isn't enough, you sure it'll be satisfied with twice?  Can we get this fucker some hamsters and a worlds best dad mug, so he can crush the hamsters with it?  Would that keep it busy and out of our hair?  Is that it's kink?

I'd ask what was wrong with you, but I already know.

We are made of stardust:

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyl...stars.html

Quote:Human body contains 97 percent stardust like stars

Combined with water:

https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water...er_objects

Quote:Up to 60% of the human adult body is water.

As for God; stop treating him like a "humanoid"; that is a type of "Anthropomorphism" a grownup adult should be ashamed from thinking in such a way.

Um, the water is stardust too.

(June 15, 2021 at 2:41 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 12, 2021 at 12:31 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I believe that hell is not eternal, but very very very very long. Suffering in it will take Billions of years.
I based my faith on this Quranic verse:

The verse doesn't entail that hell is finite. It only recounts, using rhetorical devices, the desperate wish of its inhabitants to get a second chance. Many many verses in the Qur'an contain the keyword خالدون which indicates eternity

The verse doesn't say it's infinite too; but the fate of hell's inmate is dependent on God's will:

Quote:Sura 40, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 10 )   Indeed, those who disbelieve will be addressed, "The hatred of Allah for you was [even] greater than your hatred of yourselves [this Day in Hell] when you were invited to faith, but you refused."

( 11 )   They will say, "Our Lord, You made us lifeless twice and gave us life twice, and we have confessed our sins. So is there to an exit any way?"

( 12 )   [They will be told], "That is because, when Allah was called upon alone, you disbelieved; but if others were associated with Him, you believed. So the judgement is with Allah, the Most High, the Grand."

(June 16, 2021 at 11:25 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 15, 2021 at 2:41 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: The verse doesn't entail that hell is finite. It only recounts, using rhetorical devices, the desperate wish of its inhabitants to get a second chance. Many many verses in the Qur'an contain the keyword خالدون which indicates eternity

The verse doesn't say it's infinite too; but the fate of hell's inmate is dependent on God's will:

Quote:Sura 40, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 10 )   Indeed, those who disbelieve will be addressed, "The hatred of Allah for you was [even] greater than your hatred of yourselves [this Day in Hell] when you were invited to faith, but you refused."

( 11 )   They will say, "Our Lord, You made us lifeless twice and gave us life twice, and we have confessed our sins. So is there to an exit any way?"

( 12 )   [They will be told], "That is because, when Allah was called upon alone, you disbelieved; but if others were associated with Him, you believed. So the judgement is with Allah, the Most High, the Grand."

What a hateful, spiteful child you worship.

Boru

(June 16, 2021 at 10:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 13, 2021 at 3:46 pm)WinterHold Wrote: We are made of stardust:

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyl...stars.html



Combined with water:

https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water...er_objects

As for God; stop treating him like a "humanoid"; that is a type of "Anthropomorphism" a grownup adult should be ashamed from thinking in such a way.

Um, the water is stardust too.

No it's not:

https://gizmodo.com/scientists-discover-...1505599681

Quote:Stardust sounds magical enough as it is, but now scientists have for the first time observed that it contains water—which, in turn, could suggest that life is universal.

The water forms within dust grains when they're bombarded with charged winds from the sun. The chemical reaction set up by the winds was hypothesized by scientists in the past, but this is the first time anyone's actually found H2O trapped inside real stardust.

(June 16, 2021 at 11:28 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 16, 2021 at 10:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Um, the water is stardust too.

No it's not:

https://gizmodo.com/scientists-discover-...1505599681

Quote:Stardust sounds magical enough as it is, but now scientists have for the first time observed that it contains water—which, in turn, could suggest that life is universal.

The water forms within dust grains when they're bombarded with charged winds from the sun. The chemical reaction set up by the winds was hypothesized by scientists in the past, but this is the first time anyone's actually found H2O trapped inside real stardust.

That article infers that stardust is not water, it says nothing about water not being stardust.

Where exactly do you think hydrogen and oxygen come from?

Boru

(June 16, 2021 at 11:28 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 16, 2021 at 11:25 am)WinterHold Wrote: The verse doesn't say it's infinite too; but the fate of hell's inmate is dependent on God's will:

What a hateful, spiteful child you worship.

Boru

You fall into "Anthropomorphism" again. Don't reflect human traits into the description of God or you'll lose the compass; just like an ancient Greek thinking that a "raging storm" is the Olympus Idols having a party.

(June 16, 2021 at 11:38 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 16, 2021 at 11:28 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What a hateful, spiteful child you worship.

Boru

You fall into "Anthropomorphism" again. Don't reflect human traits into the description of God or you'll lose the compass; just like an ancient Greek thinking that a "raging storm" is the Olympus Idols having a party.

If the Quran can anthropomorphize God, why can’t I?

Boru

(June 16, 2021 at 11:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 16, 2021 at 11:28 am)WinterHold Wrote: No it's not:

https://gizmodo.com/scientists-discover-...1505599681

That article infers that stardust is not water, it says nothing about water not being stardust.

Where exactly do you think hydrogen and oxygen come from?

Boru

hydrogen is Bigbang dust, not "Stardust":

https://www.physicscentral.com/explore/p...ardust.cfm

Quote:Remember that hydrogen is bigbang dust and not stardust.

Ironically, all believers anthropomorphize their god. Otherwise, god would be a great big non-descriptive nothing that doesn't exist. Oh, wait......

Yeah really. The Quran anthropomorphizes God... and the Jewish tradition it draws from does too.

Even presenting God as a being with rational intentions is anthropomorphizing him.