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Why God doesn't stop satan?
RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
(June 25, 2021 at 9:00 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: This doesn't follow. God knows the outcome of D's free will, as a result of his omniscience.

If god is "within time, then God's omniscience is only with respect to the present.

If god is "outside time" and sees all of space and time as one entity, then God cannot act as an agent within time.

If god can "predict the future" because everything is deterministic, then It is responsible for the outcome, if it set the initial conditions (and our free-will is but an illusion).
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RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
It looks like Klor has run off again.
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RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
(June 25, 2021 at 5:20 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(June 25, 2021 at 5:16 pm)Angrboda Wrote: None of this says anything about free will.  You've created an irrelevant argument about nothing.  P1 being true doesn't mean daughter D has free will.  Nor does P1 and P3 being consistent.

It does. P1 is a sufficient condition for free will. An agent has free will == he's able to choose (at least once in his life) from a set of actions.

Coming in late here. Your argument doesn’t argue D having the ability to freely choose anything. You merely assumed your conclusion in P1.
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RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
Why is the devil still alive?
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RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
(June 25, 2021 at 6:37 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(June 25, 2021 at 6:32 pm)Angrboda Wrote: If P1 assumes free will, the argument is invalid.  Let me put it another way.  Let P1(b) be the proposition that the choice in P1 is fully determined and not free.  Now one of two things is true: a) P1(b) is consistent with P1 and therefore P1 is not about free will and the argument fails, or b) P1(b) is inconsistent with P1 and therefore P1 assumes free will, thus begging the question, and making the argument invalid.  You can't simply "assert" free will.

You don't seem to have the first clue about free will.  Color me not surprised.

Hilarious

Yes I can assert free will. Because this is not an argument for free will, but for compatibility between foreknowledge and free will. Meanwhile, keep playing mind games with P1.
You’d have to make an argument for free will before you can make an argument for it being compatible with foreknowledge, otherwise, as @Angrboda already mentioned, you’re just begging the question.
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RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
It’s a dragon man unleashed upon himself in his hubris, as every story of its type goes.
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