(June 25, 2021 at 11:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 25, 2021 at 10:34 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Except that AIDS has mortality rate of close to 100%, while COVID-19 has mortality rate of 5% for 80-year-olds and 0.1% for 20-year-olds.

You should look things up before you embarrass yourself further.

Quote:The study, published in CDC’s , shows that from 2010 to 2017, the age-adjusted HIV-related death rate (the number of HIV-related deaths per 1,000 people with HIV) fell from 9.1 to 4.7, a decline of 48%. In 2017, 16,358 people with HIV died, and 5,534 of those deaths were from HIV-related causes.

4.7 out of 1000 gives a mortality rate of 0.47%.

Boru

I must say I do not understand what they mean. Almost everybody who gets HIV dies with it. And children who get HIV mostly do not live into adulthood, because they get deadly diseases human beings usually do not get.

(June 25, 2021 at 1:09 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(June 25, 2021 at 11:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You should look things up before you embarrass yourself further.


4.7 out of 1000 gives a mortality rate of 0.47%.

Boru

I must say I do not understand what they mean. Almost everybody who gets HIV dies with it. And children who get HIV mostly do not live into adulthood, because they get deadly diseases human beings usually do not get.

Sorry, but none of that is true.

Boru

(June 25, 2021 at 1:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 25, 2021 at 1:09 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: I must say I do not understand what they mean. Almost everybody who gets HIV dies with it. And children who get HIV mostly do not live into adulthood, because they get deadly diseases human beings usually do not get.

Sorry, but none of that is true.

Boru

How could it not be true that, if you get a disease that shuts down your immune system, you are likely to die as a consequence of it? It is also why people who get organ transplants, and need to take immuno-repressive drugs, do not tend to live much longer.

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I mean, saying HIV is not particularly dangerous is quite literally saying not only that vaccinations do not help us significantly, but that natural immunity against various diseases also does not help us significantly.

People don't really die from HIV anymore, because proper diet and self care can prevent the onset of AIDS which leads to the real killing.

(June 25, 2021 at 1:32 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(June 25, 2021 at 1:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Sorry, but none of that is true.

Boru

How could it not be true that, if you get a disease that shuts down your immune system, you are likely to die as a consequence of it? It is also why people who get organ transplants, and need to take immuno-repressive drugs, do not tend to live much longer.

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I mean, saying HIV is not particularly dangerous is quite literally saying not only that vaccinations do not help us significantly, but that natural immunity against various diseases also does not help us significantly.

Simply because you don’t understand a fact, it doesn’t cease to be true on the basis of your not understanding it.

These are the survival rates for various organ transplants:

Heart: 11-15 years

Lung: 5-20 years

Liver: 5-20 years

Kidney: 30-40 years

Which organ transplants were you thinking of where ‘people do not tend to live much longer’?


Boru

(June 25, 2021 at 5:38 pm)Foxaire Wrote: People don't really die from HIV anymore, because proper diet and self care can prevent the onset of AIDS which leads to the real killing.

What is the difference between HIV and AIDS? What do you mean by "proper diet"? As far as I know, diet has little or no effect on the immune system. Lysine deficiency (in the poor people whose main source of protein is wheat bread) is thought to weaken the immune system, but, as far as I know, the evidence even for that is thin.

(June 26, 2021 at 6:56 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(June 25, 2021 at 5:38 pm)Foxaire Wrote: People don't really die from HIV anymore, because proper diet and self care can prevent the onset of AIDS which leads to the real killing.

What is the difference between HIV and AIDS? What do you mean by "proper diet"? As far as I know, diet has little or no effect on the immune system. Lysine deficiency (in the poor people whose main source of protein is wheat bread) is thought to weaken the immune system, but, as far as I know, the evidence even for that is thin.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionso...-immunity/

Quote:Eating enough nutrients as part of a varied diet is required for the health and function of all cells, including immune cells. Certain  may better prepare the body for microbial attacks and excess inflammation, but it is unlikely that individual foods offer special protection. Each stage of the body’s immune response relies on the presence of many micronutrients. Examples of nutrients that have been identified as critical for the growth and function of immune cells include vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, selenium, iron, and protein (including the amino acid glutamine). [3,4] They are found in a variety of plant and animal foods.

AIDS is the condition caused by HIV. Simply because someone is HIV positive doesn’t necessarily mean they will develop AIDS.


Boru

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Well, everybody is wrong from time to time, unless they abstain from making any kind of statements.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:vitamin C

I thought this Vitamin C boosting your immune system is widely considered a myth these days.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:vitamin D

As far as I can tell, it is a bit controversial whether Vitamin D helps boost your immune system. That is, it is at least very controversial (I do not know whether it should be) to say Vitamin D protects against COVID-19 and that that is partly why COVID-19 cases and deaths are very low in summer compared to winter.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:zinc

Never heard of zinc supposedly boosting your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:selenium

Again, never heard of selenium boosting your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:iron

Again, never heard.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:glutamine

Never heard of the idea that glutamine boosts your immune system. I have only heard of the controversial claim that lysine boosts your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Simply because someone is HIV positive doesn’t necessarily mean they will develop AIDS.

Weirdly, we do not call people who carry COVID-19 but have no symptoms differently from people who do have symptoms.

(June 26, 2021 at 1:33 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Well, everybody is wrong from time to time, unless they abstain from making any kind of statements.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:vitamin C

I thought this Vitamin C boosting your immune system is widely considered a myth these days.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:vitamin D

As far as I can tell, it is a bit controversial whether Vitamin D helps boost your immune system. That is, it is at least very controversial (I do not know whether it should be) to say Vitamin D protects against COVID-19 and that that is partly why COVID-19 cases and deaths are very low in summer compared to winter.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:zinc

Never heard of zinc supposedly boosting your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:selenium

Again, never heard of selenium boosting your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:iron

Again, never heard.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:glutamine

Never heard of the idea that glutamine boosts your immune system. I have only heard of the controversial claim that lysine boosts your immune system.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Simply because someone is HIV positive doesn’t necessarily mean they will develop AIDS.

Weirdly, we do not call people who carry COVID-19 but have no symptoms differently from people who do have symptoms.

You HAVE heard of those things. I’ve just provided a link.

The other is a matter of inaccurate popular language. COVID-19 is the disease caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2. There isn’t actually a virus called COVID-19.

Boru

(June 25, 2021 at 5:38 pm)Foxaire Wrote: People don't really die from HIV anymore, because proper diet and self care can prevent the onset of AIDS which leads to the real killing.

About 15,000 people in the US die from HIV every year. 1.5 million people die every year from HIV worldwide. It is still very much a serious problem. Not everyone has access to healthcare.