(July 2, 2021 at 10:05 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 2, 2021 at 9:54 am)WinterHold Wrote: God told humans that they should never breed but with a "contract" and the male paying the female.
But the majority ignored the advice, and kept breeding like roaches.

Here's the result.

Why do you have to, like most theists, of every religion attach our survival, our successes and or failures to a sky hero?

We are an invasive species, but that is not because a super cognition exists, or favors one sex  over another.

And what is with the crap of " the male playing the female"? 

If anything in our species history has caused more problems than it has solved, it would be testosterone. Nurture is part of human evolution, and men are just as capable of being sensitive and empathy and the desire to avoid conflict, and the gentleness of cotton and silk, when we want. And women are just as capable of being breadwinners, and protectors and even warriors. 

I fucking hate gender roles. 

I love being a wimp. I wish most humans were wimps. There would be a shitload less violence in the world.

We are not an "invasive" specie. We have a brain and a choice to be moderate in everything, actually all of us humans know that "overdoing anything" is a source of disasters.

Second, when males "sponsor the female + any child resulting from their intercourse", with both parties of the relationship agreeing to a "contract of rights and obligations each should do" through the relationship; stating what "both parties should do and not do"; that is called "civilized, human relationship" that protects both the female, the children that might result from the relationship and solves most problems the couple might have before they even happen!

But if you throw that behind you and choose to be a "non-civilized" creature that doesn't obey contracts, the relationship turns into something from the animal world; something not human that causes disasters like Global Warming.

(July 2, 2021 at 10:20 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 2, 2021 at 10:05 am)Brian37 Wrote: Why do you have to, like most theists, of every religion attach our survival, our successes and or failures to a sky hero?

We are an invasive species, but that is not because a super cognition exists, or favors one sex  over another.

And what is with the crap of " the male playing the female"? 

If anything in our species history has caused more problems than it has solved, it would be testosterone. Nurture is part of human evolution, and men are just as capable of being sensitive and empathy and the desire to avoid conflict, and the gentleness of cotton and silk, when we want. And women are just as capable of being breadwinners, and protectors and even warriors. 

I fucking hate gender roles. 

I love being a wimp. I wish most humans were wimps. There would be a shitload less violence in the world.

We are not an "invasive" specie. We have a brain and a choice to be moderate in everything, actually all of us humans know that "overdoing anything" is a source of disasters.

Second, when males "sponsor the female + any child resulting from their intercourse", with both parties of the relationship agreeing to a "contract of rights and obligations each should do" through the relationship; stating what "both parties should do and not do"; that is called "civilized, human relationship" that protects both the female, the children that might result from the relationship and solves most problems the couple might have before they even happen!

But if you throw that behind you and choose to be a "non-civilized" creature that doesn't obey contracts, the relationship turns into something from the animal world; something not human that causes disasters like Global Warming.

YES WE ARE AN INVASIVE SPECIES.

Having bigger brains, and a more complex language does not preclude us from exploitation of resources. It does not preclude us from ignoring the damage of the environment that we depend on sustaining us. 

We are the only species on the face of the planet that has created a garbage dump in the ocean which is the size of the state of Texas. We are the only species capable of affecting the climate to the point it affects weather, and our resources. 

Fuck your "contract" bullshit. Women are not secondary to men. Women are EQUAL to men and in many cases they do better than men. I would be living on the streets today if it were not for the lifetime of work my late mother did to save for me. I never moved up economically. My entire life I depended on her. I am not ashamed of saying that. 

"Contracts" are not gender based. Mutual agreement is not wrong, and gender should have nothing to do with it. If a women is the breadwinner, or a woman is the leader of a family, or even head of state, tell me, why would you have a problem with that?

(July 2, 2021 at 10:35 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 2, 2021 at 10:20 am)WinterHold Wrote: We are not an "invasive" specie. We have a brain and a choice to be moderate in everything, actually all of us humans know that "overdoing anything" is a source of disasters.

Second, when males "sponsor the female + any child resulting from their intercourse", with both parties of the relationship agreeing to a "contract of rights and obligations each should do" through the relationship; stating what "both parties should do and not do"; that is called "civilized, human relationship" that protects both the female, the children that might result from the relationship and solves most problems the couple might have before they even happen!

But if you throw that behind you and choose to be a "non-civilized" creature that doesn't obey contracts, the relationship turns into something from the animal world; something not human that causes disasters like Global Warming.

YES WE ARE AN INVASIVE SPECIES.

Having bigger brains, and a more complex language does not preclude us from exploitation of resources. It does not preclude us from ignoring the damage of the environment that we depend on sustaining us. 

We are the only species on the face of the planet that has created a garbage dump in the ocean which is the size of the state of Texas. We are the only species capable of affecting the climate to the point it affects weather, and our resources. 

Fuck your "contract" bullshit. Women are not secondary to men. Women are EQUAL to men and in many cases they do better than men. I would be living on the streets today if it were not for the lifetime of work my late mother did to save for me. I never moved up economically. My entire life I depended on her. I am not ashamed of saying that. 

"Contracts" are not gender based. Mutual agreement is not wrong, and gender should have nothing to do with it. If a women is the breadwinner, or a woman is the leader of a family, or even head of state, tell me, why would you have a problem with that?

There is a huge difference between "what I am" and "what I can do".
eg: being "invasive" is a choice; and what makes you take the decision to "act invasively" or to "act non aggressively" is your brain ! if you want to freeze it I will have to take you down from the "human being" rank.

Nobody said women are secondary to men.
What's wrong again about sitting with "the woman I want to marry" and write down together how we want to treat each other?

I believe that the word you’re searching for is prostitution. Contracts and payment for sex. This, is gods advice...as you would have it, but I can’t imagine why this thread is about the virtue of prostitution according to Islam.

(July 2, 2021 at 11:47 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I believe that the word you’re searching for is prostitution.  Contracts and payment for sex.  This,  is gods advice...as you would have it, but I can’t imagine why this thread is about the virtue of prostitution according to Islam.

No, prostitution is paying money to have "sex" and end the deal.
Marriage is having a binding "contract" that allows men and women to:
1-Have sex
2-Be obligated to sponsor any children resulting (men handling the financial part)
3-Forcing males to take care of the woman and children financially.
4-Forcing both parties not to cheat on each other; and cheating does have a penalty stated in the contract. 

What's wrong again in giving a woman a "dowry", and sign a contract with her like civilized people to protect her and sponsor her and any children resulting from our sex?

Also, what's wrong again in her having a signed contract in her hand stating the rights and deeds she wants through our relationship?

Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 24 ) And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

(July 1, 2021 at 9:26 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(July 1, 2021 at 8:23 am)Nomad Wrote: They claim, but I've not seen anybody demonstrate working CC&S technology.  It's a bit like cold fusion, theoretically possible, but practically unworkable.

From two years ago:

Quote:Carbon capture and storage (CCS) facilities are considered as key contributors to emissions reduction, with 18 of the world’s large-scale CCS plants currently capturing approximately 40 million tonnes per annum (Mtpa) of carbon dioxide (CO2), according to The Global CCS Institute.

Source

From seven years ago:

Quote:Around the world in 22 carbon capture projects

Source

It took me mere minutes to find these and they aren't the only ones. Unlike cold fusion, CCS is already here and functioning.

Websites clearly pushing cc&s aren't very persuasive. They're shilling.

Edit to add: For fucks sake the first website doesn't even have an author. That's Phil Morris "doctors say ghat smoking doesn't cause cancer" level propoganda right off the bat.

Are we doomed? I think we've had the wrong people in charge at the vital point when change could have helped. I think Trump and the other right wingers have now so badly changed attitudes and damaged things that we are in a much worse place than we would have been without them.
It was a hard task before and its harder post trump.
So I think yes we're screwed, probably.

(July 3, 2021 at 4:53 am)Nomad Wrote:

(July 1, 2021 at 9:26 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: From two years ago:

Source

From seven years ago:

Source

It took me mere minutes to find these and they aren't the only ones. Unlike cold fusion, CCS is already here and functioning.

Websites clearly pushing cc&s aren't very persuasive.  They're shilling.

Edit to add:  For fucks sake the first website doesn't even have an author. That's Phil Morris "doctors say ghat smoking doesn't cause cancer" level propoganda right off the bat.

You don't like the sources? Ok. How bout Oxford Academic? Or maybe Reuters?

Regardless, any of the links I've provided prove your initial claim false.

(July 1, 2021 at 8:23 am)Nomad Wrote: ...a bit like cold fusion, theoretically possible, but practically unworkable.

(my bold)

The technology is not just theoretically possible, but already in use. A far cry from your comparison to cold fusion. Perhaps you're complaint is that there isn't enough in use yet, and I would wholeheartedly agree. But, that wasn't your claim.

Prostitution, contractual marriage, Cold fusion.... ummm. Yes we are doomed. We can’t keep a simple thread on track, much less come up with a fix for the planet and stick with it.

(July 3, 2021 at 11:30 pm)tackattack Wrote: Prostitution, contractual marriage, Cold fusion.... ummm. Yes we are doomed. We can’t keep a simple thread on track, much less come up with a fix for the planet and stick with it.

But the simple route led to "global warming" ! 
Which means the matter of sex "is not a simple deed" at all. It leads to "pregnancy"; and humans cannot be trusted with condoms and pills !

You get 2 choices: 
1-To try to have sex like an animal and ignore your brain (which leads to overpopulation and disasters like global waminng.
2-To use your brain and be a civilized human being; and let the whole world knows that you're unleashing your "semen" in female vagina. Humans used contracts to organize the unleashing of "semen" !