I guess it's too bad for the people, then? That decision will be made by the taliban, instead. The us allowed the people to constitute their own government. That's not exactly what your new buddies have in mind.

Unless you've been made aware of some plan to hold elections and establish a representative government? While we're at it, are you under the impression that the us engaged in a campaign to eradicate islam in afghanistan? That sounds juicy. How'd they end up declaring themselves an islamic republic, do you reckon?

(August 20, 2021 at 11:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm with Bob on this one.  If we're in the business of believing in facts rather than propaganda, with respect to the good the taliban has done or will do - it should be relatively simple to present an example or a hypothetical.

It's easy to do so in the case of the us in afghanistan, regardless of what one thinks about the us or us occupation in general.  Quadrupled economy, nine times the children in schools, nearly thirty times the number of secondary school graduates.  Even if there were no improvements in human rights this alone is a game changer for the people of a country, but, ofc..there has been such improvement, fueling those increases, no less.  On the purely administrative side, there's the issue of a toehold into global policitcs that a regime seen to be illegitimate simply doesn't have - and how that empowers a country to pursue it's interests in that global community more effectively (to whatever extent it can, ofc).

Is there a plan that you're aware of from the taliban to even retain these gains, let alone make further improvement?  I want to be clear here in what it is you might coonsider as improvement, even.  If it boils down to your hating one group of people or one country so much that you'd sacrifice the citizens of another on the altar of seeing the first group inconvenienced or embarrassed (or whatever you think has happened) - well..that's just a non starter - to me.

I'd say this type of elaboration isn't just useful for an islamist cheering on the demise of his fellow muslims, but for the large amount of people in the west generally and the us particularly who were always opposed to this sort of intervention in afghanistan (or anywhere else, even).

1) The issue of the U,S invasion of Afghanistan is not a mere "problem" that can be avoided or forgiving: this is an act of terrorism the U.S must pay dearly for, for every Muslim and non-Muslim soul ruined through these 20 years because of the invasion; I'm speaking about  War reparations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

The corruption America did in Afghanistan must be payed for dearly (and Muslims accept cash; money). Muslims are only despised and weak because they stopped taking the price of the corruption caused by other nations. 

2) Who are you to speak with a high-nose -as if you were a saint-; again? last thing we saw; are the wheels of your iron birds crushing Afghans into bloody smear while taking off; with "dogs" on your planes; and masses of Afghans begging you to take them with you!

War reparations. Pay.

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In gold too; Nudger. Not fake American "toilet papers" (i.e Dollars).

(August 20, 2021 at 4:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 20, 2021 at 11:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm with Bob on this one.  If we're in the business of believing in facts rather than propaganda, with respect to the good the taliban has done or will do - it should be relatively simple to present an example or a hypothetical.

It's easy to do so in the case of the us in afghanistan, regardless of what one thinks about the us or us occupation in general.  Quadrupled economy, nine times the children in schools, nearly thirty times the number of secondary school graduates.  Even if there were no improvements in human rights this alone is a game changer for the people of a country, but, ofc..there has been such improvement, fueling those increases, no less.  On the purely administrative side, there's the issue of a toehold into global policitcs that a regime seen to be illegitimate simply doesn't have - and how that empowers a country to pursue it's interests in that global community more effectively (to whatever extent it can, ofc).

Is there a plan that you're aware of from the taliban to even retain these gains, let alone make further improvement?  I want to be clear here in what it is you might coonsider as improvement, even.  If it boils down to your hating one group of people or one country so much that you'd sacrifice the citizens of another on the altar of seeing the first group inconvenienced or embarrassed (or whatever you think has happened) - well..that's just a non starter - to me.

I'd say this type of elaboration isn't just useful for an islamist cheering on the demise of his fellow muslims, but for the large amount of people in the west generally and the us particularly who were always opposed to this sort of intervention in afghanistan (or anywhere else, even).

1) The issue of the U,S invasion of Afghanistan is not a mere "problem" that can be avoided or forgiving: this is an act of terrorism the U.S must pay dearly for, for every Muslim and non-Muslim soul ruined through these 20 years because of the invasion; I'm speaking about  War reparations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

The corruption America did in Afghanistan must be payed for dearly (and Muslims accept cash; money). Muslims are only despised and weak because they stopped taking the price of the corruption caused by other nations. 

2) Who are you to speak with a high-nose -as if you were a saint-; again? last thing we saw; are the wheels of your iron birds crushing Afghans into bloody smear while taking off; with "dogs" on your planes; and masses of Afghans begging you to take them with you!

War reparations. Pay.

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In gold too; Nudger. Not fake American "toilet papers" (i.e Dollars).

Pay? Pay for what? Irrespective of the causes of the war and the thumb-fingered way it was managed, it isn’t sensibly deniable that Afghans were better off while the US kept those Taliban thugs at bay.

Boru

(August 20, 2021 at 4:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I believe that the decision of "how to live" should be given to the people of the land.

If that is true then I can confidently say that you agree with 99% of the atheists on this forum.  Please poll them and find out if I'm telling the truth.

Quote:What America did was identical to "enforced religious conversion"; i.e Islamic Ummayad invasion of Europe & Christian crusades.

So, you are saying that the majority of Afghans preferred the Taliban's harsh laws and conditions to those that were established after the US invaded?

If that's true, then why do you suppose the treatment of women got so much better?  Why did so many more children attend school?  Why didn't all or most Afghans continue to just behave as they did under the Taliban?  Why do only 0.3% of Afghans practice any religion other than Islam?

The truth is, and you know this to be fact, the US beat up a brutal regime and gave the Afghan people the opportunity to determine how they wanted to live and they choose something other than the Taliban.  The US is a bully, but when we beat up a different bully, we generally don't tell people how to live.  The only time I know for sure we did this was in Japan.  We didn't do it in Afghanistan, didn't do it in Iraq.  On this you are just totally and completely dead wrong.

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(August 20, 2021 at 4:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote: War reparations. Pay.

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You know you sound like a clown, don't you?

What you are forgetting is that the Taliban sponsored terrorism camps, and those terrorists attacked the US and other countries.  The US gave the Taliban an ultimatum.  Turn over Bin Laden or we're coming for you.  You know the rest.  Don't try to pretend the Taliban didn't have it coming.  If I punch you in the mouth and you punch me back, are you the bully?

(August 20, 2021 at 4:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 20, 2021 at 11:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm with Bob on this one.  If we're in the business of believing in facts rather than propaganda, with respect to the good the taliban has done or will do - it should be relatively simple to present an example or a hypothetical.

It's easy to do so in the case of the us in afghanistan, regardless of what one thinks about the us or us occupation in general.  Quadrupled economy, nine times the children in schools, nearly thirty times the number of secondary school graduates.  Even if there were no improvements in human rights this alone is a game changer for the people of a country, but, ofc..there has been such improvement, fueling those increases, no less.  On the purely administrative side, there's the issue of a toehold into global policitcs that a regime seen to be illegitimate simply doesn't have - and how that empowers a country to pursue it's interests in that global community more effectively (to whatever extent it can, ofc).

Is there a plan that you're aware of from the taliban to even retain these gains, let alone make further improvement?  I want to be clear here in what it is you might coonsider as improvement, even.  If it boils down to your hating one group of people or one country so much that you'd sacrifice the citizens of another on the altar of seeing the first group inconvenienced or embarrassed (or whatever you think has happened) - well..that's just a non starter - to me.

I'd say this type of elaboration isn't just useful for an islamist cheering on the demise of his fellow muslims, but for the large amount of people in the west generally and the us particularly who were always opposed to this sort of intervention in afghanistan (or anywhere else, even).

1) The issue of the U,S invasion of Afghanistan is not a mere "problem" that can be avoided or forgiving: this is an act of terrorism the U.S must pay dearly for, for every Muslim and non-Muslim soul ruined through these 20 years because of the invasion; I'm speaking about  War reparations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

The corruption America did in Afghanistan must be payed for dearly (and Muslims accept cash; money). Muslims are only despised and weak because they stopped taking the price of the corruption caused by other nations. 

2) Who are you to speak with a high-nose -as if you were a saint-; again? last thing we saw; are the wheels of your iron birds crushing Afghans into bloody smear while taking off; with "dogs" on your planes; and masses of Afghans begging you to take them with you!

War reparations. Pay.

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In gold too; Nudger. Not fake American "toilet papers" (i.e Dollars).

To whom...the taliban? What's the plan for distributing those funds?

If the afghan people wanted or needed our money, they probably should have lobbied to keep us there, don't you think? That's what we were doing, after all. As far as the evacuation going to shit - yeah, I think the us should absolutely resettle anyone who needs to flee from the coming dictatorship.

As to the other thing, I don't know if every muslim is despised or weak, but the faith is itself weak and despicable - so that might have an effect on some people. See: Taliban. Who's this "we" shit anyway? Are you some militant in afghanistan blocking refugees from making it to the airport? Is this how you came about your view of what the us is doing, are you the intended recipient of these ludicrously unlikely reparations? Begging for money over some poor afghan fuckers corpse while cheering on the people who intend to pile the bodies just that much higher?

Maybe that's why people think you are weak, why you feel despised.

(August 20, 2021 at 6:50 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(August 20, 2021 at 4:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote: 1) The issue of the U,S invasion of Afghanistan is not a mere "problem" that can be avoided or forgiving: this is an act of terrorism the U.S must pay dearly for, for every Muslim and non-Muslim soul ruined through these 20 years because of the invasion; I'm speaking about  War reparations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

The corruption America did in Afghanistan must be payed for dearly (and Muslims accept cash; money). Muslims are only despised and weak because they stopped taking the price of the corruption caused by other nations. 

2) Who are you to speak with a high-nose -as if you were a saint-; again? last thing we saw; are the wheels of your iron birds crushing Afghans into bloody smear while taking off; with "dogs" on your planes; and masses of Afghans begging you to take them with you!

War reparations. Pay.

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In gold too; Nudger. Not fake American "toilet papers" (i.e Dollars).

To whom...the taliban?  What's the plan for distributing those funds?

If the afghan people wanted or needed our money, they probably should have lobbied to keep us there, don't you think?  That's what we were doing, after all.  As far as the evacuation going to shit - yeah, I think the us should absolutely resettle anyone who needs to flee from the coming dictatorship.

As to the other thing, I don't know if every muslim is despised or weak, but the faith is itself weak and despicable - so that might have an effect on some people.  See: Taliban.  Who's this "we" shit anyway?  Are you some militant in afghanistan blocking refugees from making it to the airport?  Is this how you came about your view of what the us is doing, are you the intended recipient of these ludicrously unlikely reparations?  Begging for money over some poor afghan fuckers corpse while cheering on the people who intend to pile the bodies just that much higher?

Maybe that's why people think you are weak, why you feel despised.

Yes, you were beaten in the war just like you beat "Hitler" in WW2.

Quote:US Defense secretary told lawmakers that Americans have been beaten by Taliban in Kabul, sources say
From CNN's Jeremy Herb, Natasha Bertrand and Ryan Nobles 
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told House members in a call this afternoon that Americans have been beaten by the Taliban in Kabul, according to multiple sources on the call.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/...index.html

And there is no "Taliban" now. There is "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Em...fghanistan

The U.S should pay War reparations to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

Is this a joke?

Quote:And there is no "Taliban" now. There is "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan":

Changing their name doesn't change what they are

Quote:The U.S should pay War reparations to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

We don't owe the TALIBAN shit 

Quote:Yes, you were beaten in the war just like you beat "Hitler" in WW2.

Nope, We withdraw because got bored trying to make Afghanistan an actual functional country lol, big difference, And comparing the west to Hitler show how fucked in the head you are 

(August 20, 2021 at 5:12 pm)Spongebob Wrote: You know you sound like a clown, don't you?

What you are forgetting is that the Taliban sponsored terrorism camps, and those terrorists attacked the US and other countries.  The US gave the Taliban an ultimatum.  Turn over Bin Laden or we're coming for you.  You know the rest.  Don't try to pretend the Taliban didn't have it coming.  If I punch you in the mouth and you punch me back, are you the bully?

You're the only clown here.

The U.S didn't just take its revenge from the criminal who commit 9/11, but kept bombing the place he was in for 20 years, you bloodthirsty fiend ! it destroyed 2 generations of civilians and killed more the 170,000 people !

What kind of ego make a person inherit a will for vengeance for generations? or is it something else that kept you in Afghanistan for all that time? you know, the huge resources it has; the huge Opium fields the U.S was proven to grow, the huge minerals and Uranium you sucked from the land?

So, STFU and pay for the generations you burnt for drugs and Uranium.

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(August 20, 2021 at 7:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Is this a joke?

No LFC, it pains me to see 170,000 killed that's all.

Quote:You're the only clown here.

No, you are the clown. Clown 

Quote:The U.S didn't just take its revenge from the criminal who commit 9/11, but kept bombing the place he was in for 20 years, you bloodthirsty fiend ! it destroyed 2 generations of civilians and killed more the 170,000 people !

Nope, we spent punishing the scumbags who did 9/11 and their sympathizers and trying to fix a backwater nation and make it into somthing which is more than any Islamic group has ever done. Idiot.

Quote:What kind of ego makes a person inherit a will for vengeance for generations?

We went after an evil organization and its allies and We did more for the people of Afghanistan than you weasels combined.

Quote: or is it something else that kept you in Afghanistan for all that time? you know, the huge resources it has; the huge Opium fields the U.S was proven to grow, the huge minerals and Uranium you sucked from the land?

Nope, we got virtually nothing out of Afghanistan and any attempt to help develop its resources didn't come too much. So you are talking out your ass.

Quote:So, STFU and pay for the generations you burnt for drugs and Uranium.

No, you STFU you Islamist defending cocksucker. We did more for the people of Afghanistan than you weasels combined.

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Quote:No LFC, it pains me to see 170,000 killed that's all.

No, it doesn't you don't give a fuck about dead people you care about blaming the west for everything and nothing else. Islamist group have caused more pain for Muslims then the west ever has,