(August 21, 2021 at 11:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 9:42 am)Mashmont Wrote: I'm not saying God would lie, but the claim was that He couldn't.  I'm saying He could if He wanted.

According to the Bible, God has lied, but let’s go nuts and assume you have a point: Why would God want to lie? 

Boru

Agreed.  Why would He?

(August 21, 2021 at 11:10 am)Mashmont Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: According to the Bible, God has lied, but let’s go nuts and assume you have a point: Why would God want to lie? 

Boru

Agreed.  Why would He?

I asked you first. You’ve indicated that you believe God has both the capacity to desire to lie and the ability to act on it. Can you justify this position, or are you just regurgitating what was fed to you in Sunday school?

Boru

(August 21, 2021 at 11:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:10 am)Mashmont Wrote: Agreed.  Why would He?

I asked you first. You’ve indicated that you believe God has both the capacity to desire to lie and the ability to act on it. Can you justify this position, or are you just regurgitating what was fed to you in Sunday school?

Boru

God can do anything He wants. He wouldn't want to lie, so He wouldn't.

(August 21, 2021 at 11:08 am)brewer Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 10:54 am)Mashmont Wrote: Humans no more created God than they did gravity.

God(s) exist only as a concept imagined by the human mind, the same as Superman.

So gravity is just a concept imagined by the human mind as well?

Tag team trolls...how nice.

(August 21, 2021 at 11:15 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I asked you first. You’ve indicated that you believe God has both the capacity to desire to lie and the ability to act on it. Can you justify this position, or are you just regurgitating what was fed to you in Sunday school?

Boru

God can do anything He wants. He wouldn't want to lie, so He wouldn't.

I never said He has the desire to lie.  I said He could if he wanted.

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(August 21, 2021 at 11:19 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Tag team trolls...how nice.

Troll = "Someone who disagrees with me"

(August 21, 2021 at 9:42 am)Mashmont Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 4:47 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, a passage from Proverbs comes to mind, where the Bible is listing things that God hates (how an all-good God could be capable of hatred is another topic). One of these is liars.

So if God hates liars, then if God were to lie, he would hate himself. If someone hates God, the Bible is pretty clear that they’ll be eternally damned. 

Boru

I'm not saying God would lie, but the claim was that He couldn't.  I'm saying He could if He wanted.

Two things prevent this. First, God is morally perfect. It's his nature. He can't do something that is not in his nature, which lying would be. The second has to do with omniscience and free will, but I doubt a believer would accept that God has no free will, no matter what evidence is presented.

(August 21, 2021 at 11:26 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 9:42 am)Mashmont Wrote: I'm not saying God would lie, but the claim was that He couldn't.  I'm saying He could if He wanted.

Two things prevent this.  First, God is morally perfect.  It's his nature.  He can't do something that is not in his nature, which lying would be.  The second has to do with omniscience and free will, but I doubt a believer would accept that God has no free will, no matter what evidence is presented.

Free will doesn't mean what most people think it means. Nobody (not even God) has absolutely unlimited free will. That's not how it works. You only have the kind of free will that allows you to fulfill your True Will, which varies from individual to individual. Unlike humans', God's True Will is always good.......He only ever does good things. Humans are different. Humans are allowed to do good and evil things.

(August 21, 2021 at 11:15 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I asked you first. You’ve indicated that you believe God has both the capacity to desire to lie and the ability to act on it. Can you justify this position, or are you just regurgitating what was fed to you in Sunday school?

Boru

God can do anything He wants. He wouldn't want to lie, so He wouldn't.

But he has lied, more than once. 

Boru

(August 21, 2021 at 11:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:15 am)Ahriman Wrote: God can do anything He wants. He wouldn't want to lie, so He wouldn't.

But he has lied, more than once. 

Boru

Not that I doubt you, but could you provide a citation.