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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 1, 2021 at 1:21 pm
(March 1, 2021 at 10:24 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: (March 1, 2021 at 7:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: John 3:16 may not be the most vile, hateful verse in the Bible, but it’s definitely a contender.
Boru
On the contrary, it (along with many other parts of Holy Scripture) are a selfless, unearned invitation for peace, instead of mandatory judgment resulting in destruction. Regardless of one's perception of the details... one must ask - who are the biggest beneficiaries of this arrangement? Wouldn't it be objectively expedient to investigate said invitation rather than summarily dismiss it to one's own detriment?
A huge human impediment to responding to GOD on His terms (and He is in fact the King Eternal with dominion over all things) - is pride and desire to have and do it "my way."
The Messiah says "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it"
Humility, faith go a long way... we are human and honorably created in the image of GOD Himself, yet terrestrial "dust and ashes."
Nonsense. John 3:16 is a blunt message that anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus is summarily condemned. It doesn’t matter whether you were a good person or what virtues you had. You can spend your life housing the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick. You can devote all of your energies to so-called ‘Christian principles’ (even though all of them pre-date Christianity) of mercy, charity and goodness. But none of that matters to God. But simply not believing in the divinity of Christ is enough to preclude you from salvation.
The greatest sin in Christianity is intellectual honesty, and John 3:16 shouts it out loud.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 2, 2021 at 9:39 am
(February 28, 2021 at 8:16 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: In essence, John 3:16... the good news!
I've heard much better news than that.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 2, 2021 at 9:58 am
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(March 1, 2021 at 10:24 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: Regardless of one's perception of the details... one must ask - who are the biggest beneficiaries of this arrangement? Wouldn't it be objectively expedient to investigate said invitation rather than summarily dismiss it to one's own detriment?
Well, not me. I stand to gain nothing of value, and would... by default... lose much of value by taking your silly god up on it's offer. So, there you go. Objectively investigated for self interest, found to be a raging garbage fire. Kinda doesn't matter if it's all true at that point, does it?
What's next?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 2, 2021 at 10:00 am
Well, you know, first the invitation must be real, and not a fabrication of the faithful imagination.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 2, 2021 at 10:08 am
I don't think that matters to the faithful. They're forever imagining that the coolest person in the universe invited them to the eternal cookout, even if their own neighbors rarely say hi.
Especially if their own neighbors rarely say hi. Maybe they should take the hint?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 2, 2021 at 10:14 am
Hints are lost on them. Better to worthlessly pray that the neighbors properly turn around.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 3, 2021 at 3:14 am
(March 1, 2021 at 1:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 1, 2021 at 10:24 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: On the contrary, it (along with many other parts of Holy Scripture) are a selfless, unearned invitation for peace, instead of mandatory judgment resulting in destruction. Regardless of one's perception of the details... one must ask - who are the biggest beneficiaries of this arrangement? Wouldn't it be objectively expedient to investigate said invitation rather than summarily dismiss it to one's own detriment?
A huge human impediment to responding to GOD on His terms (and He is in fact the King Eternal with dominion over all things) - is pride and desire to have and do it "my way."
The Messiah says "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it"
Humility, faith go a long way... we are human and honorably created in the image of GOD Himself, yet terrestrial "dust and ashes."
Nonsense. John 3:16 is a blunt message that anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus is summarily condemned. It doesn’t matter whether you were a good person or what virtues you had. You can spend your life housing the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick. You can devote all of your energies to so-called ‘Christian principles’ (even though all of them pre-date Christianity) of mercy, charity and goodness. But none of that matters to God. But simply not believing in the divinity of Christ is enough to preclude you from salvation.
The greatest sin in Christianity is intellectual honesty, and John 3:16 shouts it out loud.
Boru
Your position is undermined by the fact that you/we/any reader or hearer of the Word of GOD (like Saul turned Paul, or better still - the thief on the cross), could have your/our spiritual eyes open before "the end" and come to truly trust in the Lord JESUS as our Substitute for your/our sins; not withstanding one's first reaction.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
See Romans 10:8-11
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 3, 2021 at 5:25 am
(March 3, 2021 at 3:14 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: (March 1, 2021 at 1:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Nonsense. John 3:16 is a blunt message that anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus is summarily condemned. It doesn’t matter whether you were a good person or what virtues you had. You can spend your life housing the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick. You can devote all of your energies to so-called ‘Christian principles’ (even though all of them pre-date Christianity) of mercy, charity and goodness. But none of that matters to God. But simply not believing in the divinity of Christ is enough to preclude you from salvation.
The greatest sin in Christianity is intellectual honesty, and John 3:16 shouts it out loud.
Boru
Your position is undermined by the fact that you/we/any reader or hearer of the Word of GOD (like Saul turned Paul, or better still - the thief on the cross), could have your/our spiritual eyes open before "the end" and come to truly trust in the Lord JESUS as our Substitute for your/our sins; not withstanding one's first reaction.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
See Romans 10:8-11
Same argument - what's being said there is 'whoever does not call on the name of the Lord shall be damned'.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
March 3, 2021 at 11:49 am
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I'm starting to get a little concerned. Was it some lowly human worm's idea, or a god's idea, that all that would be required to convert me was to suggest that there was some personal benefit? There are all sorts of things that may personally benefit me - tons of them....less than kosher.
The pitch isn't what has me wondering. It's the lack of any plan or means to overcome an objection. Sales 101. You should really have these lined up before you even dial the number.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 20, 2021 at 11:16 pm
(August 26, 2020 at 10:33 am)Foxaire Wrote: I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.
The question is still valid, however.
Why couldn't God lie if He wanted to?
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