I felt the same...and no intro thread so the only "label" I could come up with was SPAM.

Any way, yeah keep an eye on this one

Will do, Kichi.

Quote:We do not recognize him as an “Ayatollah” (Sign from Allah).

I can't tell you how pleased I am to learn that. I've thought he was an evil old man ever since I heard about his method of clearing minefields; he would simply get children to walk through them,creating many instant martyrs.


I believe the OP has expressed his honest opinion of Islam based on his experience. This is called 'anecdotal evidence' and not accepted by scholars in forming a general principle. Nor by me.

Every religion has it's extremest. Some mormons believe that girls are perfectly able to be wives at the age of 13, and I am sure they are not the only ones.

(August 11, 2009 at 5:32 am)northumbrian66 Wrote: The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, 1990"

I've read in a few spots (and not just from muslim apologists) that the book in question is actually a forgery.

(November 14, 2011 at 11:53 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(November 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm)qaswar khorasan Wrote: With all respect for your experiences, much of what you saw was provably not Islam. Would you be willing to take the time to do a little investigation?

I'm a little confused by this collection of links and gobblede-gook. Didn't we have this out with Rayaan and Ruhollah and so forth - and don't they admit that having sex with 9 year old girls is permissible in the Quran?

Is this being denied now?

**need some clarification**

Well I can't comment as to what Rayaan and Ruhollah admitted, because I have not read that. Either way, as for the collection of links, they are presentations of research on the subjects of human rights, women's rights, violence, and a couple of more, most likely those which you encountered while living in the "Muslim world." The point is to illustrate that there is more to Islam than what Muslims (regardless of the verity of their claim) do. The articles are well-researched, well-read and have been positively received by people of different stripes.

As for the age of 'Aa-isha at marriage, it is a disputed claim, not an established fact. I will paste part of a discussion by a scholar, discussing the various reports about her age, as well as their veracity and the reputation of the narrators. It's admittedly difficult to read because Arabic- especially old Arabic- has a rhetorical style that does not translate easily into English. If I had the 'Arabic original I could do a better job, but I don't. Here goes, for what it's worth:

In fact, you know what, it's very long (6 pages). So here's the link. Scroll halfway down and read from there. This is the most thorough discussion I have ever read on the matter, so it's worth the effort to decipher:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?H...604&CATE=1

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No, it's not spam at all. I am here to stay, if you'll have me.

Please pardon me for annoying you; I didn't notice that this thread was old. In fact, I was looking for Khomeini quotes for a different reason. When I came across this one, I found it so ridiculous that I had to respond. I don't hide the fact that I am a Muslim, which means I am as biased as all of you, but perhaps differently so. I hope that when we put all the different angles from which we are looking together, we can form a picture that is clear to all.

I really want to re-iterate the fact that Muslims do not revere Ruhollah Khomeini in any way, only a small sect of Shi'as...

Peace...

(November 15, 2011 at 12:10 am)Shell B Wrote: It's not quite spam, but he did resurrect an old thread just to put his two cents in. Annoying, but not rule breaking. My thinking is that he won't be back much, if at all. Thanks for the report, though, we will keep an eye on it.

(November 15, 2011 at 12:46 am)Galileo Wrote: Every religion has it's extremest. Some mormons believe that girls are perfectly able to be wives at the age of 13, and I am sure they are not the only ones.

Some muslims believe that girls should be perfectly able to be wives at age 8 ;-) Since at that age Aisha was married to the prophet Muhammad according to the Hadiths. If the ultimate prophet of god can marry a young girl, why cant the average Muslim male.

Sorry but how do you know that the speech is true. Im a Shia muslim and i also disagree to that because it is simply made up. There is no religion that accepts this.

(September 23, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Moberry94 Wrote: Sorry but how do you know that the speech is true. Im a Shia muslim and i also disagree to that because it is simply made up. There is no religion that accepts this.

Well, I cannot find that quote online but there are numerous examples where islamic judges have cited the legality of marriage between old men and children. Those court cases are real.

BTW, I'm less interested in the differences between the various sects of islam than you are. In fact, I regard any idiot who thinks a dead jew came back to life after being crucified as a xtian and our resident xtians get their knickers in a twist over that one.

Of course, this thread has resurrected so who knows?