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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 4:15 am
(October 13, 2021 at 3:30 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: (October 13, 2021 at 2:43 am)Belacqua Wrote: Is a "diety" like when you're trying to lose weight but not really? Like it's diety, but not really a diet?
You're still imagining that God is a thing with a big physical body. Maybe you're confusing him with Godzilla.
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No I am not putting any ideas/label what have you on the all encomasing deity that's been postualted.
What is this 'Essence' then of which said proposed deity is composed of that can cirumvent how we understand reality to behave, pray tell?
Not at work.
The essence which can be named is not the true essence.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 4:42 am
(October 13, 2021 at 2:43 am)Belacqua Wrote: You're still imagining that God is a thing with a big physical body. Maybe you're confusing him with Godzilla.
Or maybe he is just confusing him with the God of the Bible who is many times described as having a physical body, walking around, visiting people, etc.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 8:23 am
(October 13, 2021 at 1:05 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 9, 2021 at 11:51 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: What does a god do? Does he memorize the location of every object, every atom, every subatomic particle, every photon? That is going to require a large amount of memory.
No, God's mind just is the universe. There is no memory separate from the universe. According to the standard theology.
Alright, so all this is god’s brain. So, god is walking around in his own universe (Let’s call it UniverseA), in his own world and there are perhaps others other gods that he is interacting with. He is a conscious beings like us.
It is even possible that my brain is a universe as well and the same goes for all brains.
We are in UniverseB, which is actually god’s brain.
It is also possible that the universe that the god is in and his friends and everything are the brain of an even bigger god’s brain.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 8:36 am
(October 13, 2021 at 8:23 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: (October 13, 2021 at 1:05 am)Belacqua Wrote: No, God's mind just is the universe. There is no memory separate from the universe. According to the standard theology.
Alright, so all this is god’s brain. So, god is walking around in his own universe (Let’s call it UniverseA), in his own world and there are perhaps others other gods that he is interacting with. He is a conscious beings like us.
It is even possible that my brain is a universe as well and the same goes for all brains.
We are in UniverseB, which is actually god’s brain.
It is also possible that the universe that the god is in and his friends and everything are the brain of an even bigger god’s brain.
Well, if you want to build a logical case for all that I guess you could try.
For classical theology, the idea of God "walking around in" the universe doesn't make any sense. God and the universe do not make two.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 8:59 am
(October 13, 2021 at 8:36 am)Belacqua Wrote: For classical theology, the idea of God "walking around in" the universe doesn't make any sense. God and the universe do not make two.
In that case, classical theology is distorting God of the Bible because Jacob beat God in a wrestling match in Genesis 32.
Moses spoke to God face to face and even got a peek at God's backsides. And I [God]will take away my hand, and thou [Moses] shalt see my backparts. Exodus 33:23
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. Exodus 33:11
God sitting on his throne:
I [Micaiah] saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 1 Kings 22:19, 2
Etc.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 9:23 am
Theres nothing in classical theology that prevents a god from walking around n the universe...jesus christ.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 3:10 pm
At work.
(October 13, 2021 at 4:15 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 13, 2021 at 3:30 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Why yes, fek you very much for again pointing out my poor spelling. Something I've been struggling with for a tad while now. Shouldn't you stop fattening your wife? (As a suitable bite back)
No I am not putting any ideas/label what have you on the all encomasing deity that's been postualted.
What is this 'Essence' then of which said proposed deity is composed of that can cirumvent how we understand reality to behave, pray tell?
The essence which can be named is not the true essence.
So....
The diety's 'Nature' is.... 'Unknowable'? 'Unquantifyable'? 'Insert adjective to not understanding here'?
So... you're positing something akin to 'Unobtainium' then?
And this ('Place holder') defies our understanding of reality by.... ?
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 13, 2021 at 6:37 pm
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 14, 2021 at 12:00 am
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 14, 2021 at 12:12 am
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Well, that was your first mistake. Bel is a known bullshitter who wouldn't answer your question honestly even if he could...which he cant.
Pantheism is the idea that all of this that we see, everything, not a part of it but all of it together is...appropriately, god. Not some ghost or fairy. Pantheism rejects a transcendent anthropomorphic intervening god...by definition. It's an amusing tick of the english language and the historic development of ideas about the divine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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