Getting an extra $350k in your bank account doesn’t really mean a thing if society still views you as less than. That’s why just giving a given black person a blank check that’s supposed to represent their ancestors’ unpaid wages is a crap way of doing reparations. A more effective way would be investing in the sort of programs that are shown to help improve the lot of black people until they’re on an even keel with white people.

The sort of reparations Huggy Bear is suggesting is an individual solution for a collective problem, one that's extremely unlikely to fix things in the long run.

(October 25, 2021 at 12:01 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 25, 2021 at 3:08 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: @LadyForCamus

The simple answer? Reparations. $350,000 would solve the majority of those issues, wouldn't it?

I have no problem with reparations. Resources are essential. But how can we specifically target the hatred and violence against black trans women that is considered a “pandemic” in America right now? I’m thinking a good first step would be clear, public messaging that trans women are women, and a sharp and passionate rebuking of anyone, especially wildly popular celebrities with expansive platforms, who insinuate or explicitly assert otherwise. If we aren’t actively fighting against harmful, false narratives about trans folks, like that they’re sick and that they need to be fixed or that they’re just “confused,” then we’re not helping trans people.

I think I, a white woman, care more about the black trans community than you do, Hugz. Now, go ahead and die mad about it.

How is something that affects less than 1% of the Black population (which is only 12 percent of the overall population) considered a pandemic? Since you specifically referred to trans women that's less than half of a percent of the Black population.

Provide the evidence that black trans suffer at a higher rate than cis black males.

If you can’t, then miss me with the virtue signaling.

If it was a trans issue and not a race issue, white trans should have the same problems.

Quote:Weren't you quoting MLK a few pages back? Apparently you seem to respect his point of view.

How about this quote.

Just because I quote MLK and I respect some of his positions does not mean I agree with everything MLK believed. Like most other great men he had his hits and misses.

Here’s a start.

https://www.thetaskforce.org/new-analysi...er-people/

• Black trans unemployment rate: 26%. General black unemployment rate? 7.9%
  
• What proportion of black trans folk have been homeless at some point in their lives: 41%. Rate for black people in general: 1 in 6
  
• Proportion of black trans folk with an annual income below 10k: 34%, close to 4 times higher than the black population as a whole (9%). Indeed, this is more than twice as high as the rate for trans folk in general (15%)
  
• Percent of black trans folk living with HIV: 20.23%. Rate for general black population: 2.4%. 
  

Something to get you started.

(October 25, 2021 at 2:24 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(October 25, 2021 at 12:01 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I have no problem with reparations. Resources are essential. But how can we specifically target the hatred and violence against black trans women that is considered a “pandemic” in America right now? I’m thinking a good first step would be clear, public messaging that trans women are women, and a sharp and passionate rebuking of anyone, especially wildly popular celebrities with expansive platforms, who insinuate or explicitly assert otherwise. If we aren’t actively fighting against harmful, false narratives about trans folks, like that they’re sick and that they need to be fixed or that they’re just “confused,”  then we’re not helping trans people.

I think I, a white woman, care more about the black trans community than you do, Hugz. Now, go ahead and die mad about it.

How is something that affects less than 1% of the Black population (which is only 12 percent of the overall population) considered a pandemic? Since you specifically referred to trans women that's less than half of a percent of the Black population.

Because that group is disproportionately affected by violence and hate crimes including murder and sexual assault compared to other, much larger groups. Derp. You do understand proportions, right? What do you honestly hope to achieve by playing willfully obtuse?

 But more broadly, thanks for finally taking off the mask and showing us that you don’t actually care about black trans people after you ranted for twenty pages about how “no one” cared about Ed Buck’s poor, LGBTQ/black victims, and after you just posted a video invoking empathy and compassion toward that very group for the disproportionately extreme discrimination and oppression they experience. Do you care about black trans people or not? Can you pick a position and stick with it? They’re kind of mutually exclusive, you know. If not, I’ll just get you the clown make-up and you can carry on.

Quote:Provide the evidence that black trans suffer at a higher rate than cis black males.

See @Rev. Rye’s post getting you started. Once again, someone else is putting in the work for your lazy, willfully ignorant ass on a subject that you half-assedly pretended to care about, and then did a full about-face after pages of actual virtue signaling about the black LGBTQ community, lol.

Quote:If it was a trans issue and not a race issue, white trans should have the same problems.

Didn’t you just post an entire video explaining that black LGBTQ faces more oppression and discrimination than white LGBTQ because they have the added factor of racism to contend with? As mentioned, we’ve reached the point in the discussion (like every discussion with you) where you’re objecting to your own arguments, lol. 

As you’ve already made a compelling case for, it’s obviously both a race and a trans issue, which is why black trans people, that tiny percent of folks you clearly don’t give a shit about, specifically have it so much worse than white trans people.

Quote:Organizations like the Human Rights Campaign have released several reports detailing potential sources of this violence. In particular, Black trans women are killed at disproportionate rates because of “the intersections of racism, transphobia, sexism, biphobia and homophobia.” A report from CNN’s discussion with Kerith Conron, from the Williams Institute at UCLA, notes that the easiest answer to why Black trans women are disproportionately victims of fatal violence is that “[t]hey’re black, they’re transgender, and they’re women. Each of those distinct identities means that they face discrimination, prejudice and inequities on multiple fronts.”

Just admit you don’t like trans people. Admit that you don’t care about their well-being because Jebus, or because you think they’re icky, and we can all just stop wasting our time trying to have in intellectually honest conversation with a person who’s clearly interested in no such thing.

(October 25, 2021 at 3:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 25, 2021 at 2:24 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: How is something that affects less than 1% of the Black population (which is only 12 percent of the overall population) considered a pandemic? Since you specifically referred to trans women that's less than half of a percent of the Black population.

Because that group is disproportionately affected by violence and hate crimes including murder and sexual assault compared to other, much larger groups. Derp. You do understand proportions, right? What do you honestly hope to achieve by playing willfully obtuse?

 But more broadly, thanks for finally taking off the mask and showing us that you don’t actually care about black trans people  after you ranted for twenty pages about how “no one” cared about Ed Buck’s poor, LGBTQ/black victims, and after you just posted a video invoking empathy and compassion toward that very group for the disproportionately extreme discrimination and oppression they experience. Do you care about black trans people or not? Can you pick a position and stick with it? They’re kind of mutually exclusive, you know.  If not, I’ll just get you the clown make-up and you can carry on.

Quote:Provide the evidence that black trans suffer at a higher rate than cis black males.

See @Rev. Rye’s post getting you started. Once again, someone else is putting in the work for your lazy, willfully ignorant ass on a subject that you half-assedly pretended to care about, and then did a full about-face after pages of actual virtue signaling about the black LGBTQ community, lol.

Quote:If it was a trans issue and not a race issue, white trans should have the same problems.

Didn’t you just post an entire video explaining that black LGBTQ faces more oppression and discrimination than white LGBTQ because they have the added factor of racism to contend with? As mentioned, we’ve reached the point in the discussion (like every discussion with you) where you’re objecting to your own arguments, lol. 

As you’ve already made a compelling case for, it’s obviously both a race and a trans issue, which is why black trans people, that tiny percent of folks you clearly don’t give a shit about, specifically have it so much worse than white trans people.

Quote:Organizations like the Human Rights Campaign have released several reports detailing potential sources of this violence. In particular, Black trans women are killed at disproportionate rates because of “the intersections of racism, transphobia, sexism, biphobia and homophobia.” A report from CNN’s discussion with Kerith Conron, from the Williams Institute at UCLA, notes that the easiest answer to why Black trans women are disproportionately victims of fatal violence is that “[t]hey’re black, they’re transgender, and they’re women. Each of those distinct identities means that they face discrimination, prejudice and inequities on multiple fronts.”

Just admit you don’t like trans people because Jesus and because you think they’re icky, and we can all just stop wasting our time trying to have in intellectually honest conversation with a person who’s clearly interested in no such thing.

In other words intersectional issues

@Helios

Yes. And Huggy is either intellectually incapable of seeing that nuance, or is pretending he can’t comprehend it because it just feels really satisfying to hate trans people.

*Looks at watch.*

Still waiting on the white LGBTQ+ organization.

(October 25, 2021 at 4:33 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: *Looks at watch.*

Still waiting on the white LGBTQ+ organization.

Apparently we’re shoveling on top of that particular pile of inane and incoherent nonsense more fresh heaps of shit: 

“People should care about violence against black LGBTQ because they’re an oppressed minority. Also, why should I give a shit about violence against trans black women when they’re only a small minority?! Also, you people don’t even care about racism against black minorities!