(November 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Dog gender has to be about the dumbest context for this imaginable.  They don't appear to have a gender concept at all.  That's mostly because gender isn't about whether you can reach under a dog and pull their crank.  They don't seem to have social and cultural differences reducing to their sex - not even the bare bones divisions of labor found in other communal hunters.  It would make a little more sense, but not alot more sense, to ask this about lions - for example.

Asking how to tell if a dog is male or female, in a conversation about gender is both ignorant and absurd - which is impressive, even for you Hugs.  It does make me wonder if you think that's what we should be doing, though.  Station a state sanctioned crank yanker at every little girls room..you know, to stop all the men in dresses?

Wild dogs are social, and I suppose you can also say they have cultural differences related to their sex, the alpha male and female.

Are you saying there's no way to tell which is which?

(November 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Dog gender has to be about the dumbest context for this imaginable.  They don't appear to have a gender concept at all.  That's mostly because gender isn't about whether you can reach under a dog and pull their crank.  They don't seem to have social and cultural differences reducing to their sex - not even the bare bones divisions of labor found in other communal hunters.  It would make a little more sense, but not alot more sense, to ask this about lions - for example.

Asking how to tell if a dog is male or female, in a conversation about gender is both ignorant and absurd - which is impressive, even for you Hugs.  It does make me wonder if you think that's what we should be doing, though.  Station a state sanctioned crank yanker at every little girls room..you know, to stop all the men in dresses?

Wild dogs are social, and I suppose you can also say they have cultural differences related to their sex, the alpha male and female.

Are you saying there's no way to tell which is which?

Quote:Wild dogs are social, and I suppose you can also say they have cultural differences related to their sex, the alpha male and female.

Quote:Are you saying there's no way to tell which is which?

(November 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:27 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Interesting...

How come when we observe exotic bird rituals in attracting a mate, we never seem to see the confused female performing like one of the males? At least in wild animals there has to be some concept of what gender they are..

Not one separated from sex. You may argue that this makes our unusual gender systems unnatural, but then again, you could say the exact same thing about writing. Does that mean we shouldn't be writing?

Quote:I dunno man, writing's cool, but so is being able to detect cancer by sense of smell.

(November 1, 2021 at 1:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Wild dogs are social, and I suppose you can also say they have cultural differences related to their sex, the alpha male and female.

Are you saying there's no way to tell which is which?

They sure are social....Huggy, and no one is arguing otherwise - and yet, they don't appear to hold or behave as though they hold any gender concept whatsoever.

The alpha male is meaningfully different from the other males, too.  Are all of the other males not boys?  Get out of here with this garbage.  You could.....at least, contain your pathetic revulsion to animals that gender concepts even apply to.  If you saw a pitbull in a skirt would it make you uncomfortable?  Would you chase it around the dog park to make sure it shits in the right place?

(November 1, 2021 at 1:58 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 1:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They sure are social....Huggy, and no one is arguing otherwise - and yet, they don't appear to hold or behave as though they hold any gender concept whatsoever.

The alpha male is meaningfully different from the other males, too.  Are all of the other males not boys?  Get out of here with this garbage.  You could.....at least, contain your pathetic revulsion to animals that gender concepts even apply to.  If you saw a pitbull in a skirt would it make you uncomfortable?  Would you chase it around the dog park to make sure it shits in the right place?

*emphasis mine*

But they DO have a concept of gender, if they had absolutely zero concept, instead of an alpha male and female pair, you'd get and alpha pair with 2 males or 2 females, because they have zero concept and can't tell the difference between the genders.