(December 9, 2021 at 12:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 9, 2021 at 12:21 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The New Zealand Nicotine Mafia appreciates your support.....

Think it through - turf wars, larger-than-life crime lords, real excitement on the evening news…

The world needs another Al Capone.

Boru

Unfortunately you won't get one. You' ll get millions.....


Think it through. - how many first class citizens who can buy the evil weed, don' t use it? Every one of those folks stands ready to sell to the second class citizens who want it. And you' ll play hell busting them as possession for them is legal....

(December 9, 2021 at 1:26 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 9, 2021 at 12:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Think it through - turf wars, larger-than-life crime lords, real excitement on the evening news…

The world needs another Al Capone.

Boru

Unfortunately you won't get one. You' ll get millions.....


Think it through. - how many first class citizens who can buy the evil weed, don' t use it? Every one of those folks stands ready to sell to the second class citizens who want it. And you' ll play hell busting them as possession for them is legal....

We don’t have the population to support millions of crime lords. Even your country, with its vastly greater population, never managed more that a few hundred.

Folks who can buy tobacco to sell it to folks who can’t will - sooner rather than later - be all but impossible. Tobacco isn’t grown in NZ, and it’s pretty difficult to smuggle it in large enough quantities to make doing so worthwhile (one of the advantages of living on an island  that takes customs very seriously).

Contrary to what you seem to think, this isn’t a rights issue, it’s a public health issue. Tobacco use will eventually - with the right legislation, proper enforcement, and a bit of luck - be eradicated here.

And I couldn’t be happier about it.

Boru

There was a time when liberals embraced liberty.

(December 9, 2021 at 2:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: There was a time when liberals embraced liberty.

As song as your liberty doesn’t endanger my health and safety, have at it. Have yourself a liberty fest. When your liberty puts other people at risk, that’s a whole other kettle of cancerous fish.

Boru

(December 9, 2021 at 3:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 9, 2021 at 2:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: There was a time when liberals embraced liberty.

As song as your liberty doesn’t endanger my health and safety, have at it. Have yourself a liberty fest. When your liberty puts other people at risk, that’s a whole other kettle of cancerous fish.

Boru

Uh huh...

Keep telling yourself " the government knows what' s good for me better than me".....


Alcohol is bad for you too..... And don' t talk back to your minders... When they tell you something you better listen.....


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Enjoy
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(December 9, 2021 at 3:41 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 9, 2021 at 3:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: As song as your liberty doesn’t endanger my health and safety, have at it. Have yourself a liberty fest. When your liberty puts other people at risk, that’s a whole other kettle of cancerous fish.

Boru

Uh huh...

Keep telling yourself " the government knows what' s good for me better than me".....


Alcohol is bad for you too..... And don' t talk back to your minders... When they tell you something you better listen.....


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Enjoy
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Keep dragging in these steaming irrelevancies, there’s a good lad. The subject is tobacco in New Zealand.

Boru

Not really....

It' s about making citizens into subjects...


But hey - if you like that sorta thing - go for it...

I tend to think that restricted substance laws are dumb ideas..but it's not really clear how adding tobacco to an already existing list of things that people in nz can't legally consume amounts to subjugation or tyranny. Is this one of those conditioning things, where we contend that taking away the smokes is just a prelude to the big show....?

I assume it's illegal to smoke crack, too, is this also part of turning people into subjects?

(December 9, 2021 at 4:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Not really....

It' s about making citizens into subjects...


But hey - if you like that sorta thing - go for it...

If you could just show me where ‘the right to smoke’ is enshrined, that’d be great.

Boru

(December 9, 2021 at 11:07 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Seem pretty fucked up to me.

They got a new law - that if you are born after a certain date - you can NEVER buy tobacco products....

 Really.

Didn't know that, and can't say I agree.  Kind of horse and barn door.

Here it's an offence to sell tobacco to persons under 18 years. Tobacco advertising is banned, even at point of sale. Tobacco packets must carry health warnings in large print. Plus full colour photos of one of the disgusting ailments tobacco can cause, such as cancer of the mouth.

Smoking is banned all government buildings, shopping centres, in all pubs, restaurants and cafes. Plus some out of door places such as the city Mall 

Currently, a 25 stick pack of Marlboro Gold costs $AU48.50  ($US35.63)

Here the biggest demographic for new smokers is young females.

I'm not convinced banning a sector of the community from something will accomplish all that much. It's also unjust imo. I don't know the NZ constitution. Such a law may be unconstitutional . 

However, in favour of something which will save millions in health costs.

Here in Oz, smoking culture has changed. The Mazda I bought new in 2019 has no ashtray. When going to private home, there's a good chance smoking will not be permitted and the smoker will have to go outside. Very different from when I started smoking in 1964 when you could smoke just about anywhere, including work, pubs and restaurants. (quit in 2003)