(January 2, 2022 at 6:24 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(January 2, 2022 at 4:16 am)Goosebump Wrote: Purely a clarification question. Are these predictions all Old Testimate? Also... accept for the second one (only because of dragons), all three will come to pass eventually as the sun expands into a red giant.

Pretty sure they're all OT.

The last one specifically mentions Nebuchadnezzar (sp?).  Unless he comes back and causes the sun to expand or go nova, it can never be fulfilled.

Thanks, I suspected OT but don't know my bible history as well as .. well, most people here.

(December 31, 2021 at 8:31 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: It is not a matter of "denomination" it is a matter of the recognition of sin for what it is, that we are all inherently sinners (Romans 3:23), and that it carries inevitably cosmic penalties - but for the grace of GOD in and through the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST, the Son of GOD (Romans 6:23) - and ultimately, reconciliation with/to (the restoration of friendly relations) the Most High GOD!

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God." - 2 Corinthians 5:17-20

Your god sounds like a right royal bastard. Who can I talk to to avoid being reconciled with him?

(January 2, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Your god sounds like a right royal bastard. Who can I talk to to avoid being reconciled with him?

Just say a few impolite things about the Holy Spook, and you're good.  

(January 2, 2022 at 4:16 am)Goosebump Wrote:

(January 1, 2022 at 1:57 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Not THOSE ones!

The ones that are so vague they can be interpreted any way they wish.

Silly person!

Purely a clarification question. Are these predictions all Old Testimate? Also... accept for the second one (only because of dragons), all three will come to pass eventually as the sun expands into a red giant.

Yes, they are all OT.

Well, as the old saying goes, nothing lasts forever. But the Tanakh is not talking about the Sun turning into a red giant.
We can just use a few grains of human logic.
If they wanted to talk about the Sun turning into a red giant, they would have done so. Also, they would mention that all the oceans would be turned to gas and all life forms would be destroyed.

If they are singling out Damascus, this means that they aren’t talking about a red giant star.
Notice the line ===> they shall be for flocks
So, they are saying that some lifeforms will be there.

{17:3} The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim

^^^^^Whatever fortress they are talking about has probably been forgotten about thousands of years ago and probably is lying in ruins under sand.
Ephraim has probably been dead for a long time and his atoms have been spread around and some olive tree, grass, cow, chickens are probably using those atoms.
This is evidence that the writers of the Tanakh and also the Tanakh is a product of its time period.

and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria

^^^^^This is evidence that the writers of the Tanakh and also the Tanakh is a product of its time period.
They are not aware of emperor systems and ministers and presidents.

grapes, corn, berries, olive

^^^^^This is evidence that the writers of the Tanakh and also the Tanakh is a product of its time period.
No mention of Coca-Cola, no mention of bags of Doritos, no mention of Coors, pizza, hamburgers, kebobs, tacos.
They tend to talk about natural (non processed) products.

Quote:Isaiah 17:1 KING JAMES VERSION

The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. {17:2} The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. {17:3} The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts. {17:4} And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean. {17:5} And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim. {17:6} Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel.

(December 12, 2021 at 6:05 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: One cannot compel another to believe, but the message must still be conveyed in and for the hope of GOD's mercy - this before the end of one's life, or the end of the age /time - whichever occurs first.  These two events can happen any minute - but be assured, they are both principally and undeniably inevitable! Sin is gravely serious - resulting in the first and second deaths/death of body and soul - and should be taken seriously!

"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" - Hebrews 9:27

The message, the good news: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:16-18

A warning of the inevitable for the unbelieving: “And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:6-9

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways, so I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ - Hebrews 3: 7-11

Why do you keep using the worst bits of your belief system to try and convert us? You must know it's not going to work by now.

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(December 17, 2021 at 1:26 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: Truly I wish you the same and more... my point in sharing the good word of GOD. CHRIST is in fact the "reason for the season."

You're wrong there Saturn/Cronus is the reason for the season. Christmas is simply a bastardisation of Saturnalia, because the church wasn't taking after it became Rome's state religion.

(January 2, 2022 at 5:11 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(December 12, 2021 at 6:05 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: One cannot compel another to believe, but the message must still be conveyed in and for the hope of GOD's mercy - this before the end of one's life, or the end of the age /time - whichever occurs first.  These two events can happen any minute - but be assured, they are both principally and undeniably inevitable! Sin is gravely serious - resulting in the first and second deaths/death of body and soul - and should be taken seriously!

"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" - Hebrews 9:27

The message, the good news: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:16-18

A warning of the inevitable for the unbelieving: “And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:6-9

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways, so I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ - Hebrews 3: 7-11

Why do you keep using the worst bits of your belief system to try and convert us? You must know it's not going to work by now.

If this is their god they love so much, and heaven is full of people like this, it's not the best recruiting tool...

(December 31, 2021 at 8:31 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:

(December 18, 2021 at 7:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.’ - Psalm 14:1

‘But the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.’ - Borudians 24:7

Boru

It is not a matter of "denomination" it is a matter of the recognition of sin for what it is, that we are all inherently sinners (Romans 3:23), and that it carries inevitably cosmic penalties - but for the grace of GOD in and through the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST, the Son of GOD (Romans 6:23) - and ultimately, reconciliation with/to (the restoration of friendly relations) the Most High GOD!

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.  Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God." - 2 Corinthians 5:17-20

(January 2, 2022 at 5:20 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(January 2, 2022 at 5:11 pm)Nomad Wrote: Why do you keep using the worst bits of your belief system to try and convert us?  You must know it's not going to work by now.

If this is their god they love so much, and heaven is full of people like this, it's not the best recruiting tool...

‘We long for Heaven for the climate and Hell for the company.’ - Mark Twain

Boru

(December 31, 2021 at 8:07 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:

(December 18, 2021 at 7:13 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.’ - Psalm 14:1

‘But the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.’ - Borudians 24:7

Boru

All has and will inevitably be revealed and evident - there is only one source of Truth - only one will remain.

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." - Matthew 24:35

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." - Matthew 5:18

I see you're quoting from the version of the bible created to "show" that James VI & I had a divine right to rule as an absolute monarch. Assuming that you're American, that's quite a bold ideology to be backing.

(December 31, 2021 at 9:37 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(December 31, 2021 at 8:54 pm)brewer Wrote: Programming God Jordan, is that you? I recognize the color shifts but you also need to include the change in font size.

I guess he's evolved enough that I missed it. I used to be able to spot him a couple of posts in. I expect that the case may be that after the first couple of posts, my eyes glazed over for them. Now you mention it, the bold, underlines, colors, etc., make it pretty obvious.

No I'm sure Mercyvessel and PGJ are two different creatures.