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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 3:26 pm
(November 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: So time would go in reverse for me but what about relative to the observer?
Here you go. This should be confusing enough to answer your question.
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 5:19 pm
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm
I like the second explanation
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 7:40 pm
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(November 20, 2011 at 12:55 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (November 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: So in effect if you go faster than light you go faster than time? Maybe that theory is flawed?
No, that's not what the theory says. If you go faster than light, time (for you) travels in reverse. Over a short enough distance, if you travelled faster than the speed of light, you'd arrive at your destination before you left your source.
Since your perception of time is driven by the vector of your own time, what could time "for you" travel in reverse ever mean?
It might appear to you and an notional inertial observer that each of your times travels in reverse from the perspective of the other, but for the each of you your own time would always appear to travel in the forward direction at a unchanging speed.
For the same reason, A particle traveling above speed of light might arrive at another observer in a notional inertial reference frame prior to information about its cause. But relative to the particle itself, time always travel forward, and it's own cause always precedes any effect stemming from that cause, such as it being observed.
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 9:06 pm
At the speed of light, time stops for the mover. Beyond the speed of light, time reverses for the mover. Would this affect the aging of the mover? Technically, it would stand to reason so, but I have yet to find anything on this particular idea.
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 20, 2011 at 9:27 pm
What I meant was, the entity (you) travels backwards through time. Time for other people (observers) is not affected. Yes, from your perspective the passage of time wouldn't change, but in actuality, it is.
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm
There's still a lot of doubt that these measurements are accurate;
Quote:But ICARUS, another experiment at Gran Sasso – which is deep under mountains and run by Italy's National Institute of National Physics – now argues that their measurements of the neutrinos energy on arrival contradict that reading.
In a paper posted Saturday on the same website as the OPERA results, the ICARUS team says their findings "refute a superluminal (faster than light) interpretation of the OPERA result."
They argue, on the basis of recently published studies by two top U.S. physicists, that the neutrinos pumped down from CERN, near Geneva, should have lost most of their energy if they had travelled at even a tiny fraction faster than light.
Read more at http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/11...w-findings
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm
(November 20, 2011 at 9:06 pm)IATIA Wrote: At the speed of light, time stops for the mover. Beyond the speed of light, time reverses for the mover. Would this affect the aging of the mover? Technically, it would stand to reason so, but I have yet to find anything on this particular idea.
The problem here is that the mass of the mover would have to be ZERO. 
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm
(November 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm)little_monkey Wrote: (November 20, 2011 at 9:06 pm)IATIA Wrote: At the speed of light, time stops for the mover. Beyond the speed of light, time reverses for the mover. Would this affect the aging of the mover? Technically, it would stand to reason so, but I have yet to find anything on this particular idea.
The problem here is that the mass of the mover would have to be ZERO.
Particles. Some particles age, though most have mass. Assuming an aging massless particle traveling FTL, would it 'unage'? 
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RE: Neutrinos still travel faster than light
November 21, 2011 at 10:26 pm
(November 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm)little_monkey Wrote: The problem here is that the mass of the mover would have to be ZERO.
What about imaginary?
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