(March 24, 2022 at 6:28 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I always go to Zappa for life's truths.  After all, he did warn us not to eat the yellow snow.

Don't forget those Catholic Girls.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:   There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

Well, you're a Frank Zappa fan. So you can't be totally horrible.

I've listened to a handful of Frank Zappa songs, and each one was excellent.

So I think your idea is pretty ancient. If I follow you correctly, you're kind of talking about Plato's Cave, where people mistake shadows on the wall for reality. Plato's solution is to make excruciating intellectual effort to leave the cave. What's your solution?

  My solution basically is to be disliked.  Even hated.  Though not by my choice.  And the reason why is as ancient as humanity.  Long ago Plato had something to say on the subject.  It was most likely true long before him and is still true.  He said, "Nobody is more hated than he who speaks the truth."  George Orwell said something similar.  Too bad I can't just post a meme of it.  But he said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it."

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(March 24, 2022 at 6:26 pm)brewer Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:   There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

Sounds like the 'truth' you want to tell about is very subjective.

  That's what debate is for.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:32 pm)brewer Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:28 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I always go to Zappa for life's truths.  After all, he did warn us not to eat the yellow snow.

Don't forget those Catholic Girls.

Whatchou think you can tell me about those Catholic girls? 

The error is in assuming a correlation between the dislike of you and the reason being some sort of truth you possess.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:33 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Well, you're a Frank Zappa fan. So you can't be totally horrible.

I've listened to a handful of Frank Zappa songs, and each one was excellent.

So I think your idea is pretty ancient. If I follow you correctly, you're kind of talking about Plato's Cave, where people mistake shadows on the wall for reality. Plato's solution is to make excruciating intellectual effort to leave the cave. What's your solution?

  My solution basically is to be disliked.  Even hated.  Though not by my choice.  And the reason why is as ancient as humanity.  Long ago Plato had something to say on the subject.  It was most likely true long before him and is still true.  He said, "Nobody is more hated than he who speaks the truth."  George Orwell said something similar.  Too bad I can't just post a meme of it.  But he said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it."

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(March 24, 2022 at 6:26 pm)brewer Wrote: Sounds like the 'truth' you want to tell about is very subjective.

  That's what debate is for.

So far you seem unable to debate.

And your solution is to be disliked and hated? You seem to be able to achieve that with no evidence of truth what so ever.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:24 pm)deepend Wrote:  I plan to give you all some good reasons to hate me.  Truthful reasons.

Damn, you’re so edgy I almost cut myself on your post!

He's an interesting troll, in a not very interesting sorta way.

YAWN

(March 24, 2022 at 6:38 pm)brewer Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:33 pm)deepend Wrote:   My solution basically is to be disliked.  Even hated.  Though not by my choice.  And the reason why is as ancient as humanity.  Long ago Plato had something to say on the subject.  It was most likely true long before him and is still true.  He said, "Nobody is more hated than he who speaks the truth."  George Orwell said something similar.  Too bad I can't just post a meme of it.  But he said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it."

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  That's what debate is for.

So far you seem unable to debate.

And your solution is to be disliked and hated? You seem to be able to achieve that with no evidence of truth what so ever.

Two days now and I’m still waiting for him to actually tell us something. 

(March 24, 2022 at 5:27 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 23, 2022 at 7:32 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Using your words, which you can clearly do without the aid of using an image or video, what is one of these lies that we accept as truth?

  I had it in mind to start threads on each.  But without being able to post pictures, videos or links to prove to you that I'm not bullshitting, there's not much point.  Right now everybody around here hates me.  Mostly because I didn't study the censorship rules here with the precision that the herders of the sheeple here think I should have.  (Though I didn't read them at all)  Though I am thinking of one I might be able to post without the aid of any uploads.  If I do post it, at least you will all have good reason to hate me and the truth.

Oh bullshit. You haven't been able to defend what you already have said. You aren't disliked because of your violation of the rules. You're disliked because you're an ass.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:33 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Well, you're a Frank Zappa fan. So you can't be totally horrible.

I've listened to a handful of Frank Zappa songs, and each one was excellent.

So I think your idea is pretty ancient. If I follow you correctly, you're kind of talking about Plato's Cave, where people mistake shadows on the wall for reality. Plato's solution is to make excruciating intellectual effort to leave the cave. What's your solution?

  My solution basically is to be disliked.  Even hated.  Though not by my choice.  And the reason why is as ancient as humanity.  Long ago Plato had something to say on the subject.  It was most likely true long before him and is still true.  He said, "Nobody is more hated than he who speaks the truth."  George Orwell said something similar.  Too bad I can't just post a meme of it.  But he said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it."

But "being hated" doesn't seem like a way to get us from not knowing the truth to knowing the truth. Discourse, analysis, scrutinizing those things we think are true, listening to others who disagree (especially WHY they disagree). That seems like a better way to get to the truth than "being hated."

"Being hated" seems oriented toward society and societal beliefs. A form of protest really... not a way to get from not knowing to knowing.

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(March 24, 2022 at 6:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:38 pm)brewer Wrote: So far you seem unable to debate.

And your solution is to be disliked and hated? You seem to be able to achieve that with no evidence of truth what so ever.

Two days now and I’m still waiting for him to actually tell us something. 

I know, right. I think that what OP deems "the truth" (if he ever bothers to tell us) wouldn't turn out to be some rigorous objective analysis. It'd be a bunch of deep seated opinions.

(That's my suspicion, anyway.)

(March 24, 2022 at 7:12 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:33 pm)deepend Wrote:   My solution basically is to be disliked.  Even hated.  Though not by my choice.  And the reason why is as ancient as humanity.  Long ago Plato had something to say on the subject.  It was most likely true long before him and is still true.  He said, "Nobody is more hated than he who speaks the truth."  George Orwell said something similar.  Too bad I can't just post a meme of it.  But he said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it."

But "being hated" doesn't seem like a way to get us from not knowing the truth to knowing the truth. Discourse, analysis, scrutinizing those things we think are true, listening to others who disagree (especially WHY they disagree). That seems like a better way to get to the truth than "being hated."

"Being hated" seems oriented toward society and societal beliefs. A form of protest really... not a way to get from not knowing to knowing.

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(March 24, 2022 at 6:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Two days now and I’m still waiting for him to actually tell us something. 

I know, right. I think that what OP deems "the truth" (if he ever bothers to tell us) wouldn't turn out to be some rigorous objective analysis. It'd be a bunch of deep seated opinions.

(That's my suspicion, anyway.)

An Ignorant lying fool can be just as hated as a truth-teller