(add after some reply :in this topic evil=satanic=anti-human)
One of the reasons that Islam and Allah are anti-human is that it supports slavery.
According to the decree of the bastard god of the Muslims, whose name is Allah, when the Muslims win over the non-Muslims, they are allowed to loot the city. They are allowed to break the doors of the houses and separate the women and girls from the family and sell them for sexual act in other countries as a female slave called slave.
They can have sex with their slave whenever they want and beat her whenever they want and lend their slave to their friends to have sex whenever they want.

The bastard mohamad prophet and all the bastard imams have done this.
Slave women were no longer sexually attractive when they reached middle age and were cheaper and were freed in their old age because the cost of keeping them was higher than the profit of their work.

(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Correct, harm is not identical to evil.  As I said, I think evil takes harm and malice.  

That you think you haven't harmed your spouse by cheating on her, provided she never finds out - is yet another difference between our moral views.  Boy howdy, I'm glad you might get some enjoyment out of it, though!

This devilish pleasure might be fine between men, I get this. But I am prepared to bet that many married women regard this act as horrendously evil, or maybe the most evil act imaginable.

(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure.  The unfaithful husband has harmed his wife the very moment he violated her trust.  Evil?  Probably not...most cheaters aren't in it to hurt their spouse.  Some are, though, and that's pretty heinous.

Again, many people will disagree with your assessment here, and indeed consider cheating (even in the absence of malicious intent) to be inherently evil. 

(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: But pause for a second.  Why on earth do you think any of these questions would be stumpers?  How could I stumble my way through mundane existence navigating these very real concerns without any awareness or consideration of them whatsoever?  It's absurd. 

I am aware that my example isn't exactly a knockout argument against moral realism, but at least it scratches the surface : even in the absence of harm or malice, there are acts that can properly be regarded as evil.

(August 25, 2022 at 3:13 pm)Eclectic Wrote:  all the bastard imams have done this.

You should change your religious views from agnostic to racist/islamophobic.

(August 25, 2022 at 2:33 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 2:25 pm)Eclectic Wrote: There are many reasons why Islam is evily.

The word "evil" is meaningless outside of religious language. Since you purport to be an agnostic, you can't use this word without contradicting yourself. 

And there you go, your entire worldview has just been toppled.

That's not actually the case. Philosophy differentiates 'moral' and 'natural' evil. The former comes about as the action of a moral agent (murder, for example), while the latter is evil without a causative moral agent (such as when a mudslide buries a village). Neither of these require religious language.

Boru

(August 25, 2022 at 3:13 pm)Eclectic Wrote: One of the reasons that Islam and Allah are anti-human is that it supports slavery.
According to the decree of the bastard god of the Muslims, whose name is Allah, when the Muslims win over the non-Muslims, they are allowed to loot the city. They are allowed to break the doors of the houses and separate the women and girls from the family and sell them for sexual act in other countries as a female slave called slave.
They can have sex with their slave whenever they want and beat her whenever they want and lend their slave to their friends to have sex whenever they want.

Hazrat Muhammad Haramzadeh and all the bastard imams have done this.
Slave women were no longer sexually attractive when they reached middle age and were cheaper and were freed in their old age because the cost of keeping them was higher than the profit of their work.

How precisely does this differ from the other Abrahamic religions? The Tanakh has lots of rules as to how slaves of Jews are to be treated, and plenty of Christians made a fine living as slavers, until they were forcibly stopped.

In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any religion that hasn't, at some point, endorsed and approved of one form of slavery or another.

Boru

Please see this motherfuker version of god that his name is Allah, claims that he is merciful and makes mankind happy, but he allows Muslims to separate the innocent girl from her family and enslave her for cleaning and sexual intercourse.

Note that we are in Iran. In the army (Sepah Pasdaran), commanders give speeches to the soldiers of the Revolutionary Guards that Muslims will win over Israel, Europe and America and will enslave Christian and atheist girls.

This is the religion of Islam! In the 21st century, they think of raping Christian and atheist women.

About 20 years ago when i read Allah permited slaving men and women i find that Allah is satanic and Mohammad was a bastard and his girl was a harlot.

Today real fanatic muslims that live in non-muslim countries are in wish finaly Imam-zaman attack to europe and then nighter people become muslim or kil them or slave girls.But now they use Taghiye.
They cheat people.
Imams say to muslims to go none-muslim countries and standby for openingcity gates for soldiers of Islam in future.

(August 25, 2022 at 2:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 2:56 pm)Eclectic Wrote: https://atheistforums.org/thread-64401-p...pid2114177

Let's stop with the circular links.

Your other thread could easily have been here.  Junking up the forum is frowned upon.

^This. Please stop linking to your own threads. It's pretty tactless and we get enough of it from one of our Muslim members.

Boru

So, one of the reasons that proved to me that Islam is the religion of the devil and proved that Allah is Satan, is slavery.

(August 25, 2022 at 3:17 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Correct, harm is not identical to evil.  As I said, I think evil takes harm and malice.  

That you think you haven't harmed your spouse by cheating on her, provided she never finds out - is yet another difference between our moral views.  Boy howdy, I'm glad you might get some enjoyment out of it, though!

This devilish pleasure might be fine between men, I get this. But I am prepared to bet that many married women regard this act as horrendously evil, or maybe the most evil act imaginable.

I don't think it's fine "between men" either.  The locker room defense isn't a moral argument, lol.

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(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure.  The unfaithful husband has harmed his wife the very moment he violated her trust.  Evil?  Probably not...most cheaters aren't in it to hurt their spouse.  Some are, though, and that's pretty heinous.

Again, many people will disagree with your assessment here, and indeed consider cheating (even in the absence of malicious intent) to be inherently evil. 

So?  Honestly, so what if many people disagree?  You know what I use the term evil to refer to, and so...whatever opinion you or the housecat may have on the matter, there either is or isn't malice.  Could be the case either way, like I said.  The basic difference between doing a bad thing, and an evil thing.  

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(August 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: But pause for a second.  Why on earth do you think any of these questions would be stumpers?  How could I stumble my way through mundane existence navigating these very real concerns without any awareness or consideration of them whatsoever?  It's absurd. 

I am aware that my example isn't exactly a knockout argument against moral realism, but at least it scratches the surface : even in the absence of harm or malice, there are acts that can properly be regarded as evil.

It's not any argument at all, and you don't really want to argue against moral realism anyway.  You foolishly believe that you can shove your silly god in there somewhere, and that without it, it doesn't make sense.  

You're just wrong, plain and simply wrong, in point of fact.

The second reason that proved to me that Muhammad, the Messenger of God, and his God are both bastards is God's command to promote terror.
Muhammad, the Messenger of God, and the imams killed anyone who was a preacher of a religion other than Islam!
Also, kiling a captive is an honor in Islam. In Khandaq war, Mohammad ordered the execution of children over 12 years old.