(September 10, 2022 at 1:39 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(September 10, 2022 at 12:52 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: 'You people'

What an ass you are.

Actually, you raise a fair point.

In saying "you people," I suppose I was referring to atheists in general initially, because the vast majority I've run into on here are simple vile people. I didn't really think about it. But now that I've had time to reflect, I believe I was referring to people like you, who are so thoroughly dismissive (on a forum purposed for debate, no less) of anyone who doesn't say what they want to hear that they think they can just act the fool without consequence.

I assure you, there are consequences for every action we take in this life, and there will be consequences for shooting your mouth off on this forum. It may not come in a way you expect or can even see as related to your offense, but it'll come, and that goes for anyone who behaves as you have. The Lord sees all and prescribes punishment in due time.

(September 10, 2022 at 1:39 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(September 10, 2022 at 12:52 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: 'You people'

What an ass you are.

Actually, you raise a fair point.

In saying "you people," I suppose I was referring to atheists in general initially, because the vast majority I've run into on here are simple vile people. I didn't really think about it. But now that I've had time to reflect, I believe I was referring to people like you, who are so thoroughly dismissive (on a forum purposed for debate, no less) of anyone who doesn't say what they want to hear that they think they can just act the fool without consequence.

I assure you, there are consequences for every action we take in this life, and there will be consequences for shooting your mouth off on this forum. It may not come in a way you expect or can even see as related to your offense, but it'll come, and that goes for anyone who behaves as you have. The Lord sees all and prescribes punishment in due time.

(September 10, 2022 at 1:18 pm)Angrboda Wrote: And that last part that you posted and claim was explicitly for us is just another variant of, "That's because you were never a true Christian."

Think on this, padawan: Atheism needs no such excuses.  Science needs no such excuses.  Philosophy needs no such excuses.  Anywhere actual truth and knowledge are to be found, no excuses.

Religion?  Filled with excuses.

(September 10, 2022 at 1:48 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(September 10, 2022 at 1:18 pm)Angrboda Wrote: And that last part that you posted and claim was explicitly for us is just another variant of, "That's because you were never a true Christian."

Think on this, padawan: Atheism needs no such excuses.  Science needs no such excuses.  Philosophy needs no such excuses.  Anywhere actual truth and knowledge are to be found, no excuses.

Religion?  Filled with excuses.

It may be a variant as you say, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. And it isn't an excuse, it's a truth that is very well-founded in Scripture, which is obvious by my post.

Atheism doesn't "need such excuses" because atheism has no purpose other than to discount theism. Science isn't even a philosophy, it's an activity by definition, and philosophy is such a generic term that it simply has no relevance to your argument. In other words, you're just sharing a bunch of meaningless garbage.

If you think I'm full of excuses concerning Christianity, you're sadly mistaken.

(September 10, 2022 at 12:06 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: So the answer is simple: if you haven't found God, it's because you haven't sought Him with all your heart; it's because you've sought after Him with evil motives.

(September 10, 2022 at 12:40 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: My own father was an atheist, and I've argued with you people plenty enough to know how stubborn and foolish you can be.

Quote:Your question is a bit tricky. There are many people who proclaim themselves to be Christians, for one, who absolutely are not (most of them, in fact). Their hearts have indeed deceived them.

Quote:And who can say who is a true Christian? I can say there are those I believe are Christian, but are they? And how about myself? Maybe my own heart deceives me. I have to at least acknowledge that possibility, yes.

Quote:The problem here is that people like you seek absolute, incontrovertible proof and certainty. That's not what faith is about, not how the Lord designed its purpose. God is Spirit; He is the Word, that is, He isn't defined by the tangible, but by the intangible element of His character, His righteousness. That is why faith is necessary.

Quote:And really, faith has very little to do with the existence of God. His existence is obvious to those whom He hasn't deliberately blinded. Faith is about believing in His righteousness and walking by it, by the intangible, despite the tangible fighting us much of the time.

(September 10, 2022 at 1:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote: This is what's known as an ad hoc argument, and it is basically synonymous with making up excuses to fit your desired conclusion.  Such arguments are also considered fallacious and invalid.

(September 10, 2022 at 1:55 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(September 10, 2022 at 12:06 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: So the answer is simple: if you haven't found God, it's because you haven't sought Him with all your heart; it's because you've sought after Him with evil motives.

False.  I haven't sought your god at all.  I see it as a fictional character, and not even a particularly engaging fictional character.  In short, your god does not interest me and IMO is not worth pursuing.