Quote:Get out of here, you disgusting piece of crap. Just ridiculous.

That's not a counter-argument.....

Furthermore, erotic art is an ancient concept just because the modern variant uses a camera and is used for commercial means is not a refutation.

(September 19, 2022 at 5:33 pm)R00tKiT Wrote:

(September 19, 2022 at 5:16 pm)Astreja Wrote: It's absolutely fucking barbaric that you think that a man has any sort of right to "let" or forbid a woman from doing anything at all.

There is nothing wrong with a woman not allowing her husband to, say, chat randomly with girls in social media, and the husband not letting his wife wear anything she wants outdoors. You don't have to swear and call people barbaric because of that.. especially that this is very culture-dependent. 

At the end of the day, the United States is the same country where the porn industry was born -they even have a golden age of porn, ROFL-, this means that americans are literally the last people to talk about respecting women or upholding their "freedom".

My biggest issue with pornography is the unrealistic expectations. When I call service people to the house (plumbers, electricians, etc), they’re never 19 year old blondes who say things like, ‘I’m here to service your pipes’ or ‘Nice house - I bet the bedrooms are huge’.

Disappointing, that’s what it is.

Boru

(September 19, 2022 at 6:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 19, 2022 at 5:33 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: There is nothing wrong with a woman not allowing her husband to, say, chat randomly with girls in social media, and the husband not letting his wife wear anything she wants outdoors. You don't have to swear and call people barbaric because of that.. especially that this is very culture-dependent. 

At the end of the day, the United States is the same country where the porn industry was born -they even have a golden age of porn, ROFL-, this means that americans are literally the last people to talk about respecting women or upholding their "freedom".

My biggest issue with pornography is the unrealistic expectations. When I call service people to the house (plumbers, electricians, etc), they’re never 19 year old blondes who say things like, ‘I’m here to service your pipes’ or ‘Nice house - I bet the bedrooms are huge’.

Disappointing, that’s what it is.

Boru

Wow, that never happens to you. I'm sorry to hear that 

(September 19, 2022 at 6:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My biggest issue with pornography is the unrealistic expectations. 

So, your biggest issue isn't that it degrades women. Major LOL.

I'm out.

There's a Muslim category of porn, just saying.

(September 19, 2022 at 10:08 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 19, 2022 at 8:29 am)GUBU Wrote: The Mongols were no different than any other warlike people in those days, except for they were more effective at conquest.  And in some ways they were more restrained than other people, if you surrendered for example the would let you live and only impose a relatively minor tax.  Contrast that with the behaviour of those who lead the first crusade or the Cathar ceusade.

And the Mongol conquest of Persia and the Central Asian steppe was precipitated by the sultan of Khwarezm murdering an embassy Chinngis sent without any provocation.

Among certain historians, there has been a recent movement to rehabilitate the Mongols, which is the view that you are presenting (defending?); in my book, they were/are mass murderers, even if they lived in an era of mass murder.

But what you are doing is trying to paint them as worse than other conquerors of their time, a view only ever propagated by racist European and European descended propogandists.

Quote:So, your biggest issue isn't that it degrades women. Major LOL.

I'm out.

There is nothing inherently degrading about porn.

For those coming into the thread on page 19, here's a recap.

Theism is a failure.

All men are sexual predators.

The porn industry abuses women more than the religion that enslaves, mutilates, and beats them.

Underlying thesis:

people can’t be trusted with knowing what actually is real what isn’t. But people can be trusted when they think they know precisely what falsehood is better than the truth