Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism

[Untethered]

In reference to God or Gods: "That which cannot be proven must be dismissed as false until proof is discovered."

[Jehanne]

Quote the verse that says : "don't study mathematics", or "don't do science" from the Qur'an, go.

The word fundamentalist comes with many, many connotations, you might want to unpack it and say exactly what doctrine in Islam you think is anti-scientific.

We know that the first revelation ever that came to Muhammad is literally : "Read: In the name of Allah Who created, (1) Created man from a clot. (2) Read: And Allah is the Most Generous, (3) Who taught by the pen, (4) Taught man that which he knew not".  [96:1-4]. It explicitly invites one to read and learn.

We know that scientific breakthroughs can literally make nations win wars, and since you think that Islam is an imperial religion, it's crucial -according to jihadism- that Muslims get on top of other nations and excel in science, isn't it ?

So, contrary to what you read in christian polemics, it's actually the other way around : the most extremist and violent interpretations of the jihad doctrine will actually welcome science and innovation.

I don't care, to be perfectly honest.  The word "Islam" means "submission to God", and as there is no god, this makes Islam anti-intellectual, anti-mathematics and anti-science.  Aristotle was not a religious fundamentalist, and as his teachings began to infuse both East & West, the reactions on the part of religious conservatives began to manifest themselves:

Wikipedia -- Condemnations of 1210–1277

I have no doubt whatsoever that, as occurred in the West, the Muslim caliphates in the East, were having similar musings.  Of course, the conservatives in the West did not get their way, which allowed the rise of the University system in the West during the High Middle Ages, which was followed by the Italian Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and the rest, as they say, is history....

[Untethered]

I don't see where anything you wrote in your reply has to do with what I wrote?

Sorry Jehanne. My error!

[arewethereyet]

I don't see where anything you wrote in your reply has to do with what I wrote?

Jehanne was obviously responding to Rootkit, or whatever name he's using this week.

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[Neo-Scholastic]

In reference to God or Gods: "That which cannot be proven must be dismissed as false until proof is discovered."

Really? Limiting your objection's applicability to a specific type of entity without good reason for doing so is a version of the logical fallacy called "special pleading". Pretty sure you are aware that you believe lots of things that cannot be proven such as other people having minds or perhaps that the past is gone is some meaningful sense. Granted it sounds clever, as an atheist meme, but fallacious just the same.

Back to the OP though, if for the sake of argument we say theism is false, then perhaps it is false in the same way that ownership and solidity are - convenienct fictions grounded in strong intuitions. Atomic theory tells us the belief in solid objects, as in conguious substance, is an illusion. Rap any table! Look me in the eye and tell ell me you believe the table is mostly empty space. Your intellect may say you believe that but instinctually you know it's "solid" wood. And I dare you to argue with a two year old that his toys aren't really "his" and do not have the intangibible quality of belonging to him. So while we may have many false intuitions, theism among them, that does not mean that are not useful. I can imagine many useful side-effects of theism such as fostering community, providing a psychological way to deal with the unknowable, etc. I can also think of many bad side-effect of rigid dogma and intolerance. Secular ideologies also seem to have a religious feel to them, which would argue against my position but I do not see that as a major objection.

Not that I have a dog in the fight of proving that theism somehow spares one from misery. As I see Chrisitianity, the believers paths is often towards hardship and suffering, as the lives of the Saints demonstrate. For this reason, I would not try to sell religion on the notion that your life will be more pleasant. Far from...

[Angrboda]

In reference to God or Gods: "That which cannot be proven must be dismissed as false until proof is discovered."

Really? Limiting your objection's applicability to a specific type of entity without good reason for doing so is a version of the logical fallacy called "special pleading". Pretty sure you are aware that you believe lots of things that cannot be proven such as other people having minds or perhaps that the past is gone is some meaningful sense. Granted it sounds clever, as an atheist meme, but fallacious just the same.

That's an uncharitable reading and does not speak well of you.

[Astreja]

There is nothing wrong with a woman not allowing her husband to, say, chat randomly with girls in social media, and the husband not letting his wife wear anything she wants outdoors. You don't have to swear and call people barbaric because of that.. especially that this is very culture-dependent.

There is everything wrong with both of the above scenarios. An adult has no right whatsoever to control the behaviours of another adult. A woman is free to voice her disapproval of her spouse's social media habits, and a man is free to voice his disapproval of his spouse's wardrobe, but that's where it ends. If the people in the marriage are having difficulties because one of them is doing things to provoke the other, it may be time for a marriage counsellor or divorce papers.

And I'll phrase my disapproval any way I want, Root. My culture sees relationship coercion as abuse, and I will use strong language when it's called for.

[Silver]

Culture-dependent doesn't mean right.

And this isn't the fictional world of Star Trek where we're supposed to not interfere.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, us the birthplace of porn, get out of here.  We're a pretty prude culture in the west, in mere reality.  Did you know that there are highly polished stone phalli going all the way back to 28kya?

The explosion of explicit films production happened in your country.

We take things that other people are doing, and do them bigger and better.  USA no 1 - I thought you understood this?  
Level with me, real real time.  Did you watch alot of us porn, and get caught or otherwise feel ashamed..and now you've externalized the shame for your activity as the us's fault, much the way that you externalize the shame of your awkward sexual desires as a womans fault?

And, seriously, there is a huge difference between filming the full sexual act with modern cameras and sharing it worldwide and building stone phalli, like what are you talking about.

Not really...but it's interesting that you'd object there. Got a phallus under your bed or something?

[Fake Messiah]

The explosion of explicit films production happened in your country.

That's because the U.S. has enough freedom to make porn for everyone in the world, especially for Muslims who consume it most.