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Proxy war in Ukraine?
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 (November 7, 2022 at 6:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 7, 2022 at 5:07 pm)Jehanne Wrote: A lot of non-military spending has also taken place, probably, another 20 to 30 billion. Agreed, doom & gloom! RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 8:41 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 8:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, if it's doom and gloom, in the general..and not ukranian dead or busted power plants or even the cost, it seems like a proxy war could help there too. Russia wasn't going to respond to ukranian resistance well regardless of whether they received western aide. Nor did russia have any plans to reduce the doom and gloom in ukraine (or elsewhere) if they surrendered.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I love how we recognize the bad, such as war, yet not take the necessary measures to eradicate the all too inhuman need for it.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 8:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 8:51 pm by Jehanne.)
That $100 billion could fund basic research that could result in a renewable source of energy, one that could avert a short-term, but fatal, runaway greenhouse effect. And, so, yes, $100 billion could be absolutely priceless!
RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 8:56 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 9:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Good idea, but there looks to be plenty of other places to cut that big old defense budget if we wanted a little couch change for climate change.
No? What's the point in pretending..even for a minute... that ukraine has to eat shit and die if we want to try to address climate change? Or that this is what we would do with that money, even, if ukraine would just lay down, eat shit and die? Here's an even wider angle...in what universe do you see the victory of a invading petrostate being the one where we tackle climate change?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I'm all for defense being taken when necessary against an evil we tolerate rather than make obsolete.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  Quote:That $100 billion could fund basic research that could result in a renewable source of energy, one that could avert a short-term, but fatal, runaway greenhouse effect. And, so, yes, $100 billion could be absolutely priceless!We can walk and chew bubble gum
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! ![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843) “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM (November 7, 2022 at 8:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Good idea, but there looks to be plenty of other places to cut that big old defense budget if we wanted a little couch change for climate change. The United States refusing to spend the $12 billion on the SSC is proof positive that our priorities are messed-up. Quote:The United States refusing to spend the $12 billion on the SSC is proof positive that our priorities are messed-up.So Ukraine needs to be conquered because America won't spend on SSC. As if both can't be done.
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 9:25 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 9:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 7, 2022 at 9:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(November 7, 2022 at 8:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Good idea, but there looks to be plenty of other places to cut that big old defense budget if we wanted a little couch change for climate change. No argument from me there, but so too..it would seem to me, would abandoning ukraine be proof our priorities were messed up. Whether we take a high view focused on human life or the most cynical road based on cost, benefit, and power.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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