(November 7, 2022 at 6:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I do feel like it would be fair to give IA a little encouragement, for progress he has made.  Just a few short months ago he'd swear on his own mothers grave he wasn't defending white supremacists or white supremacy and further, he didn't even have the slightest idea what anyone was going on about.  Today, he  swears that he absolutely does know what he's doing and will defend white supremacists because of his strong liberal commitments.

That's step one right there.

Yeah....stepping on his own d!ck.

(November 7, 2022 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Yeah....stepping on his own d!ck.

Don't give him that much credit. It's not that big.

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Nudge didn’t do it, I will: white supremacists are sub-human.

There. I feel better now.

Boru

I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

Here's something you might find interesting, IA.  Fundamentally, Boru may believe exactly that, in exactly the same way.  You see, biological supremacy is completely toxic in society.  It really only survives in small enclaves.  Contemporary white supremacist shit is cultural.  So, for example, a person feels superior to another person because they believe that their culture is superior to the other culture.  White culture to black culture, for example.  They feel justified in considering members of that culture sub-human because, in violating basic principles of human decency we all claim to share - they are committed to victimizing other human beings - namely, in their telling..ofc..the white man.  

Boru, or lets say a person that believes as much so it isn't personal, can believe this as well.  That their culture, broadly speaking human or humanitarian culture..is superior to white supremacist culture.  That we might justifiably describe a person as somehow sub-human when they, in violation of basic principles of human decency which we claim to all share, are committed to victimizing other human beings.

The main difference between the two, is that one of those types of people are right, and the other type are white supremacist loons.

(November 7, 2022 at 7:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

Here's something you might find interesting, IA.  Fundamentally, Boru may believe exactly that, in exactly the same way.  You see, biological supremacy is completely toxic in society.  It really only survives in small enclaves.  Contemporary white supremacist shit is cultural.  So, for example, a person feels superior to another person because they believe that their culture is superior to the other culture.  White culture to black culture, for example.  They feel justified in considering members of that culture sub-human because, in violating basic principles of human decency we all claim to share - they are committed to victimizing other human beings - namely, in their telling..ofc..the white man.  

Boru, or lets say a person that believes as much so it isn't personal, can believe this as well.  That their culture, broadly speaking human or humanitarian culture..is superior to white supremacist culture.  That we might justifiably describe a person as somehow sub-human when they, in violation of basic principles of human decency which we claim to all share, are committed to victimizing other human beings.

The main difference between the two, is that one of those types of people are right, and the other type are white supremacist loons.

Aww. *goes all blushy*

Boru

(November 7, 2022 at 6:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I do feel like it would be fair to give IA a little encouragement, for progress he has made.  Just a few short months ago he'd swear on his own mothers grave he wasn't defending white supremacists or white supremacy and further, he didn't even have the slightest idea what anyone was going on about.  Today, he  swears that he absolutely does know what he's doing and will defend white supremacists because of his strong liberal commitments.

That's step one right there.

Not quite. I've always been proud to defend white supremacists and I don't think I've stuttered in my defense of them. That's not quite the same as me defending white supremacy, however. I don't endorse that troll calling AOC a big booty latina to her face, but I will completely defend his right to do so and I don't want him punished for it. So yes, that means I'm proud to defend misogynistic trolls, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with me endorsing or not endorsing that particular behaviour. And my mother doesn't have a grave. She's alive and well.

(November 7, 2022 at 5:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

If they change, they wouldn’t be sub-human any more and I’d be happy to re-admit them to the ranks of humanity. Until then, laws should be passed prohibiting them from voting, owning businesses, or producing offspring. They should be barred from all professions and most trades, and should not be allowed to unionize. In other words, they should be treated EXACTLY they way they demand non-whites be treated.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I think, you insufferable twatwaffle.

Boru

Insufferable? I was actually complimenting your humanity and giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it turns out I was giving you too much credit. Why just take away their rights? Why not put them in gas chambers? If that's what they might fantasize about doing to others, then surely they deserve the same, right? The black Hebrew Israelites want white people to be their slaves. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, right? So by your logic, Kanye West, Kyrie Irving, and the rest of the black Hebrew Israelities should be thrown back into the chains of slavery, since this is what they wish for others. This line of thinking is so ridiculous. An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind. This is why we have moved past the death penalty in almost all advanced nations on earth. The third world shitholes are basically the only ones running your plan, Boru. Maybe take that as a hint?

And that's not to mention that your plan is not doable. There are no orphanages to take in tens of millions more children of racist parents. The economy couldn't handle millions of people being let go from their jobs for wrong think.

(November 7, 2022 at 7:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

Here's something you might find interesting, IA.  Fundamentally, Boru may believe exactly that, in exactly the same way.  You see, biological supremacy is completely toxic in society.  It really only survives in small enclaves.  Contemporary white supremacist shit is cultural.  So, for example, a person feels superior to another person because they believe that their culture is superior to the other culture.  White culture to black culture, for example.  They feel justified in considering members of that culture sub-human because, in violating basic principles of human decency we all claim to share - they are committed to victimizing other human beings - namely, in their telling..ofc..the white man.  

Boru, or lets say a person that believes as much so it isn't personal, can believe this as well.  That their culture, broadly speaking human or humanitarian culture..is superior to white supremacist culture.  That we might justifiably describe a person as somehow sub-human when they, in violation of basic principles of human decency which we claim to all share, are committed to victimizing other human beings.

The main difference between the two, is that one of those types of people are right, and the other type are white supremacist loons.

Taking away every last right a person has as Boru has suggested is actually the exact opposite of what we would call humanitarian, but nice try.

The only type of person I MIGHT be willing to lean towards calling sub-human, would maybe be a Jeff Dahmer type. But, even if one lacks humanity, they still get their human rights. This is what makes us better than 3rd world shitholes.

(November 7, 2022 at 6:48 pm)Tomato Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Yeah....stepping on his own d!ck.

Don't give him that much credit. It's not that big.

It is pretty small, I admit.

But hey, since we're on the subject of white supremacy and you want to join in on the party, I think we have to just throw it out there, that in a vacuum, you calling 40 percent of black parents bad parents is actually a far more racist statement than 13/50 or other Neo-Nazi catch phrases. And like Jesus said, you know not what you do, and you think you mean well, but at some point, being a gay Democrat is not going to be enough to excuse you for making such racist claims as saying almost half of black parents suck at parenting, and in turn, are bad people.

(November 8, 2022 at 11:48 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 6:33 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I do feel like it would be fair to give IA a little encouragement, for progress he has made.  Just a few short months ago he'd swear on his own mothers grave he wasn't defending white supremacists or white supremacy and further, he didn't even have the slightest idea what anyone was going on about.  Today, he  swears that he absolutely does know what he's doing and will defend white supremacists because of his strong liberal commitments.

That's step one right there.

Not quite. I've always been proud to defend white supremacists and I don't think I've stuttered in my defense of them. That's not quite the same as me defending white supremacy, however. I don't endorse that troll calling AOC a big booty latina to her face, but I will completely defend his right to do so and I don't want him punished for it. So yes, that means I'm proud to defend misogynistic trolls, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with me endorsing or not endorsing that particular behaviour. And my mother doesn't have a grave. She's alive and well.

I agree, they're not the same thing, and you go that extra mile.  Perhaps you can work on that and break away from your obsession with white supremacist conspiracy theories? You have a problem, you appear to be aware of the problem. Will you make it past step one and do something about your problem?

(November 8, 2022 at 1:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(November 8, 2022 at 11:48 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Not quite. I've always been proud to defend white supremacists and I don't think I've stuttered in my defense of them. That's not quite the same as me defending white supremacy, however. I don't endorse that troll calling AOC a big booty latina to her face, but I will completely defend his right to do so and I don't want him punished for it. So yes, that means I'm proud to defend misogynistic trolls, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with me endorsing or not endorsing that particular behaviour. And my mother doesn't have a grave. She's alive and well.

I agree, they're not the same thing, and you go that extra mile.  Perhaps you can work on that and break away from your obsession with white supremacist conspiracy theories?  You have a problem, you appear to be aware of the problem.  Will you make it past step one and do something about your problem?

I go that extra mile.. well, sure. Anything can be interpreted as racist by anyone else, as words like racist, transphobe, fascist, etc have basically lost all meaning in modern society, and common usage of these terms to just describe anyone one dislikes has rendered them pretty useless.

The ACLU defending Klan marches, was based on liberal principle. I'm not trying to pass myself off as some total progressive by mentioning I have liberal views though. I've had no problem admitting my views on the other side. What do I think should be done about school shootings? Absolutely nothing. I want gun laws to be rolled back, actually. One of my favourite comedians currently is the founder of the Proud Boys. I can watch him and Anthony Cumia sitting there mocking black women's whacky hairstyles for twenty minutes straight, and I'm on the floor laughing the material is so good, but that doesn't make me a racist for having a little chuckle, I don't think. I still find the attack helicopter video by that African creator to be hilarious, and it still hasn't gotten old to me, but hey, that doesn't stop me from completely accepting trans identities and sympathizing with their struggle. As a kid, I actually used to sneak my moms dresses and try them on in the bathroom, so I can probably relate to trans more than most. I never said that my sense of comedy wasn't immature. Comedy, however, I don't believe is really supposed to be mature. Oh no, I laughed at some jokes. And now you're going to try to spin laughing at jokes as being worse than what you want, which is to ban 40 percent of black youth from school, because you don't think black people are good parents. like Tomato. You or Tomato, please go post that opinion on black twitter calling 40 percent of them bad parents, and see what black people really think of you two, supposed white saviours.

The most offensive thing I've posted on here is probably me saying that I like white beauty standards. That might have been going a bit far, as little girls should feel like they have representation in the media. At the moment though, whiteness has always been an extremely desired trait, all around the world, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course, but those black queens Beyonce, Rihanna, and the new black Little Mermaid... these people are in these positions because of their European facial features. Even the black community worships European facial features. Most of us love European features. Maybe some day we'll get a little further in moving past worshipping white European features, but for now, this is the way of the world.

I don't see what problem I have that you are referring to. A little Holocaust denial is a sign of a healthy society, imo. People questioning whether children died at Sandy Hook? They're idiots, but without them, society is less healthy imo. A society where you can't question the history books? That's scary. You're cool with possibly millions of deaths, so Ukraine doesn't have to give up a tiny strip of land. I'm ok with millions of covid deaths, but I'll get miffed over a handful of prisoners dying at the hands of the death penalty. I'm going to stand on principle, regardless of the results, just as you have done. We're not all that different. And not everything is to be blamed on free speech. Why didn't the Dems try harder to codify Roe into law? RBG made one of the biggest egotistical mistakes in history by not retiring, and she cursed women with her mistake. Sometimes human error is a big part of history. Not everything can be blamed on free speech and liberty. Come on, now. And how about neoliberalism take some blame for the rise of Trumpism? You asked for a Trump to rise up. But blame free speech.