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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 11:39 am
(November 20, 2022 at 11:26 am)werenothereyet Wrote: LOL. Three counts of ad hominem above. Anything else ?
Well, the whole topic is who is insane, and let's face it, it is not the people who are forced to believe in jinns, flying donkeys, and splitting moon.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 11:44 am
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@ Fake Messiah
You're calling billions of people insane in your comment above. Believing in something -anything- doesn't make one insane. The latter word is thrown out here a lot, and I'm not sure many people -certainly not you- even know what it means.
Again, making fun of claims of miracles is a ridiculously weak objection to theism. Yeah we believe in jinns, swallow it.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 11:48 am
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(November 18, 2022 at 7:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Similarly, since he’s discounting observation and detection, we can claim that all existing trees are of equal height.
Boru
Therefore all trees are the tallest trees. So, every tree makes my claim true: there is a tallest tree.
I didn't claim we should reject observation altogether, lol. We simply don't need it to deduce from observed trees that there is a tallest tree. Namely, we don't need to see the tallest tree.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 11:52 am
I just said that people who don't believe in jinns, flying donkeys, and splitting moon are not insane as you claim that they are. And that believing in jinns, flying donkeys, and splitting moon made you insane. Now when it comes to other believers... well there had to be something that kept the crusades going on for 300 years, didn't it?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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November 20, 2022 at 11:58 am
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You're not allowed to call anyone insane because you lack both the credentials and the data to make a professional diagnosis. Muslims aren't responsible for the Crusades, so you should probably ask christians for that.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 12:04 pm
(November 20, 2022 at 11:26 am)werenothereyet Wrote: LOL. Three counts of ad hominem above. Anything else ?
Insults by themselves are not ad hominems, moron.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 12:05 pm
(November 20, 2022 at 11:48 am)werenothereyet Wrote: (November 18, 2022 at 7:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Similarly, since he’s discounting observation and detection, we can claim that all existing trees are of equal height.
Boru
Therefore all trees are the tallest trees. So, every tree makes my claim true: there is a tallest tree.
I didn't claim we should reject observation altogether, lol. We simply don't need it to deduce from observed trees that there is a tallest tree. Namely, we don't need to see the tallest tree.
"There is 'a' tallest tree" implies that there exists one tree that is the tallest tree, solely.
If all trees are the same height then there does not exist 'a' tallest tree.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 12:13 pm
(November 20, 2022 at 12:05 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: (November 20, 2022 at 11:48 am)werenothereyet Wrote: Therefore all trees are the tallest trees. So, every tree makes my claim true: there is a tallest tree.
I didn't claim we should reject observation altogether, lol. We simply don't need it to deduce from observed trees that there is a tallest tree. Namely, we don't need to see the tallest tree.
"There is 'a' tallest tree" implies that there exists one tree that is the tallest tree, solely.
If all trees are the same height then there does not exist 'a' tallest tree.
True enough, but I was making the point that without observation, it is nonsensical to determine IF there is a tallest tree.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 12:24 pm
(November 20, 2022 at 11:48 am)werenothereyet Wrote: (November 18, 2022 at 7:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Similarly, since he’s discounting observation and detection, we can claim that all existing trees are of equal height.
Boru
Therefore all trees are the tallest trees. So, every tree makes my claim true: there is a tallest tree.
I didn't claim we should reject observation altogether, lol. We simply don't need it to deduce from observed trees that there is a tallest tree. Namely, we don't need to see the tallest tree.
But you do need the observation that trees exist in order to deduce there is a largest one. You also need defined properties of height, for example (that it is linearly ordered) and that there are only finitely many trees (which cannot be known a priori).
For example, there is no tallest unicorn.
Also, there is a distinction mathematically between 'tallest' and 'maximally tall'. The first implies uniqueness while the latter does not.
There is also no maximally tall unicorn.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 20, 2022 at 12:27 pm
(November 20, 2022 at 11:58 am)werenothereyet Wrote: You're not allowed to call anyone insane because you lack both the credentials and the data to make a professional diagnosis. Muslims aren't responsible for the Crusades, so you should probably ask christians for that.
Says the guy who has no data to back up his god claims. That is crazy.
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