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Angrboda · November 5, 2022 at 4:48 pm

If by a relic of the past you mean to say that it has no value in the present day, in addition to that being mere assertion, you'll find plenty of people that disagree.

Fake Messiah · November 6, 2022 at 4:27 am

(November 5, 2022 at 2:12 pm)Interaktive Wrote: Religion is a relic of the past
it should be written in the constitutions of Europe
this is development and progress
do you agree

You know how it is, some people still want to believe in lies no matter how implausibly they are presented.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: November 6, 2022 at 10:34 am by The Grand Nudger.)

Governments are in a pretty tight spot here, because..in principal, yeah..they should ignore religion. In practice, due to the nature of religion and subsequent insistence of the religious themselves, they cannot. Religions are often relics of the past but if those were all swept away there would just be more space for a religion of the moment which would be no different, in this regard, than the ones it replaced.

Angrboda · (This post was last modified: November 6, 2022 at 10:45 am by Angrboda.)

(November 6, 2022 at 10:33 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Governments are in a pretty tight spot here, because..in principal, yeah..they should ignore religion. In practice, due to the nature of religion and subsequent insistence of the religious themselves, they cannot. Religions are often relics of the past but if those were all swept away there would just be more space for a religion of the moment which would be no different, in this regard, than the ones it replaced.

Angrboda · November 6, 2022 at 11:22 am

Quote:All over the country this year, figures like Wallnau, hailing from the right wing of prophetic and charismatic Christianity, have been appearing with candidates as part of a growing U.S. religious phenomenon that emphasizes faith healing, the idea that divine signs and wonders are everywhere, and spiritual warfare.

Longtime watchers of religion in the United States say this rise of prophetic figures is the result of multiple forces. Among them are a collapse of trust in institutional sources of information, the growth of charismatic Christianity and its accompanying media ecosystems, and a Trump presidency that brought in from the fringe spiritual figures long rejected by the political and evangelical establishments.

“For two millennia of church history, people have been claiming to be prophets,” said Matthew Sutton, a Washington State University historian of American religion who has focused on apocalyptic and charismatic Christians. “But it’s a new tactic in the United States for it to be part of waging culture war.”

(Washington Post)

Interaktive · November 7, 2022 at 8:20 am

thanks to scientists and mentally healthy people, we have always lived in a non-religious world

Ahriman · November 7, 2022 at 12:20 pm

(November 7, 2022 at 8:20 am)Interaktive Wrote: thanks to scientists and mentally healthy people, we have always lived in a non-religious world

Always? Religion was actively a thing until around 2010 (possibly later), I was a child in the 90's and I remember religion still being a significant part of people's lives. in fact it still is a significant part of many people's lives, but I do think it officially "died" at least a decade (or more) ago.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 12:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Maybe whatever religion you were a part of, but that's always been happening. Individual religions have expiration dates. The core of religious thinking, the reason that we keep coming up with new ones, will persists as long as we do. That's why we have a vested interest in a better quality of religion than we've previously enjoyed.

Objectivist · November 11, 2022 at 11:36 pm

(November 5, 2022 at 2:12 pm)Interaktive Wrote: Religion is a relic of the past
it should be written in the constitutions of Europe
this is development and progress
do you agree

No, I don't agree. There should be a complete separation between government and religion because there is an incompatibility between ideas and force. Government is force, it is essentially a gun. If that gun is aimed at the mind, as in a state sponsored religion, then other religions don't enjoy the support of the state and the state could simply decree that any other religion is unconstitutional and order it to be outlawed.

The freedom to think for one's self and believe ideas that come from that thinking is a fundamental human right.

Lek · December 3, 2022 at 10:54 pm

(November 5, 2022 at 4:02 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
(November 5, 2022 at 3:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, I don’t agree. Governments should not be in the business of banning religion. They should be in the business of ignoring it.

Boru

Me: "This guy over here is performing female genital mutilation in the name of his religion!"

Government: "Ignore it."

The US government is allowing doctors to perform genital mutilation on children in the name of transgenderism.

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