(January 10, 2023 at 4:57 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 8, 2023 at 10:41 pm)Objectivist Wrote: It's not me, it's part of me.  I am more than my nervous system.  I am my body and I am also my mind.  The fact that you are impressed by the complexity of our bodies is not a warrant for believing in a deity.  Pictures are not arguments.  Incredulity is no defense for believing in the supernatural.  You ask how can we see this and still be atheists.  It's a non-sequitur.  I'd like to ask theists how they can accept such faulty reasoning?  The racism, toxic behaviours, and killings that you lament are a result of such faulty reasoning or the failure to reason at all.  Our brains and our nervous system are wonderful things and they give us the ability to do wonderful things but when we fail to use them or use them in the wrong way we are capable of horrible things.  

We do not replicate our own creation when we create something.  There is a huge equivocation here.  When we create something new, we create it by using existing materials.  The kind of creation you are talking about is creation from nothing pre existing.  It is essentially wishing things into existence.  The two are in no way alike.  

There isn't a god.  It's a fantasy.  But if I were to find myself in from of this god he better clear his schedule because I'll have a lot to say to it and it won't be short.  

It's interesting that you ask us to use our imaginations.  I know of no other way to apprehend your god but to use my imagination.  But, there is a fundamental distinction between what is real and what is imaginary, one that is identified by the primacy of existence principle. It's a principle you unwittingly use and reject at the same time any time you make a claim about your god.  I think you should reconcile that contradiction before you go presenting arguments for your god.

It includes your brain; so it is you.
We can't runaway from it. The Nervous System needs a body to work; just like a firm needs a Manager.

Without the manager; the company would fall.
Without a Nervous System; the body would fall.

That's why a "head shot" kills you immediately.
That's why a severe trauma to the Spinal Chord immobilises you immediately.

The rest of the body is a mere resource feeding the Nervous System.

No, I am my mind, my brain, my nerves, my actions, my thoughts, my heart, my lungs, my endocrine system, my bones, etc.  We can't reduce humans to a nervous system and no matter how complex and amazing it is it's not a warrant for believing in a god or the supernatural.  And if you say a body is required to be conscious then that leaves you god out.  It is said to be spirit, whatever that is, without a physical body.  You see the body as a resource to feed the nervous system but I see the nervous system as a means for the body to feed itself and do everything else.  It's not the totality of me.

(January 10, 2023 at 7:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 6:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Bugs are not all that adaptable. Humans can survive temperature, humidity and pressure extremes that would kill most common insects. Bugs can do lots of things I can't do (such as enter Bolivia without a passport), but that doesn't make bugs adaptable.

Cockroaches are more resistant to radiation than humans (though not as resistant as most people think), but so what?

Not so much. Gravitational attraction is a constant - I'm pulling on that large celestial object just as much as it's pulling on me.

Boru

Bugs were found in volcanos too.

Gravity would demolish you in this life, a free fall from a mountain is an example.

I know, primarily lava crickets. But being suited to a particular environment doesn’t mean they’re adaptable.

Lol, I never said humans were indestructible. You’re funny.

Boru

(January 10, 2023 at 7:53 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 5:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: My mind sees this as a creator who made a creature from mud, so weak, then gave him a shell we call "body", then blew electricity into him turning the mud statue "on".

Then ripped a rib out of him, some say it was the penis bone to create Adams helpmeet. 

Most animals have a penis bone if I remember correctly.

Any realistic and authentic human would testify that the "biblical narrative/stories/tales" are the writings of the Roman monks who worked for Emperor Constantine during the meeting in First Council of Nicaea.

Not a single word was taken from Jesus's -peace be upon him- mouth, the produced book from that council was the tales of drunk monks customising stories for Roman politicians to wear.

Just like the Islamic Hadith: or the "Ummayad's bible".

(January 10, 2023 at 7:53 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: And it was breathed into a mudpie?

Yes, into a fantastic wondrous miracle of Stardust mixed with H2O, so fragile yet so intelligent, a wonder collected and made from the Stars of Almighty God; logic and will was revealed to this creature by the Merciful God who taught us how to talk.

I admit that I'm a fragile mudpile. But I know my origins very well.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:40 pm)Objectivist Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 4:57 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It includes your brain; so it is you.
We can't runaway from it. The Nervous System needs a body to work; just like a firm needs a Manager.

Without the manager; the company would fall.
Without a Nervous System; the body would fall.

That's why a "head shot" kills you immediately.
That's why a severe trauma to the Spinal Chord immobilises you immediately.

The rest of the body is a mere resource feeding the Nervous System.

No, I am my mind, my brain, my nerves, my actions, my thoughts, my heart, my lungs, my endocrine system, my bones, etc.  We can't reduce humans to a nervous system and no matter how complex and amazing it is it's not a warrant for believing in a god or the supernatural.  And if you say a body is required to be conscious then that leaves you god out.  It is said to be spirit, whatever that is, without a physical body.  You see the body as a resource to feed the nervous system but I see the nervous system as a means for the body to feed itself and do everything else.  It's not the totality of me.

Your mind is the central piece of the CNS so as your nerves, the rest of the body is just a resource: actually an evidence is that you can live without arms, legs, and even a heart (an artificial heart must be present though) but you cant live without a brain.

It's a matter of dependancy: the highest value is for the brain, not the heart or organs.

Without the majority of your vital organs, your brain is just a lump of grey matter.

Quote:Yes, into a fantastic wondrous miracle of Stardust mixed with H2O, so fragile yet so intelligent, a wonder collected and made from the Stars of Almighty God; logic and will was revealed to this creature by the Merciful God who taught us how to talk.

I admit that I'm a fragile mudpile. But I know my origins very well.

In your version of origins, humans have just glorified mud dolls created by a cosmic imbecile in mine we are a wonder of the unlikely and the way the universe knows itself.

(January 12, 2023 at 12:32 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 8:40 pm)Objectivist Wrote: No, I am my mind, my brain, my nerves, my actions, my thoughts, my heart, my lungs, my endocrine system, my bones, etc.  We can't reduce humans to a nervous system and no matter how complex and amazing it is it's not a warrant for believing in a god or the supernatural.  And if you say a body is required to be conscious then that leaves you god out.  It is said to be spirit, whatever that is, without a physical body.  You see the body as a resource to feed the nervous system but I see the nervous system as a means for the body to feed itself and do everything else.  It's not the totality of me.

Your mind is the central piece of the CNS so as your nerves, the rest of the body is just a resource: actually an evidence is that you can live without arms, legs, and even a heart (an artificial heart must be present though) but you cant live without a brain.

It's a matter of dependancy: the highest value is for the brain, not the heart or organs.

Actually, I think the higher value is life.  All of my parts work together toward that goal.

(January 12, 2023 at 12:12 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 7:53 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Then ripped a rib out of him, some say it was the penis bone to create Adams helpmeet. 

Most animals have a penis bone if I remember correctly.

Any realistic and authentic human would testify that the "biblical narrative/stories/tales" are the writings of the Roman monks who worked for Emperor Constantine during the meeting in First Council of Nicaea.

This is an example of the fallacy of poisoning the well. Implying that anyone who disagrees with you is inauthentic and unrealistic and therefore must be wrong.

(January 9, 2023 at 5:09 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The admins grow these people in the basement and let one loose to watch the fun.

Welcome back, GS!