(March 25, 2023 at 5:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 5:00 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So do unto others as you do not want them to do unto you?  Is this atheistic morality?

So, denigrate and marginalize people who don’t behave as you do? Is this Christian morality?

Boru

it actually is, and it reigns far above all else in christian notions of morality and without it christianity will vanish like ashes in a wind.   it menifested itself as the one and only morality that ever really mattered to it long long before there ever was even the father son bullshit. it started with “there shall be no god besides me”.

(March 25, 2023 at 4:59 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 3:50 pm)Helios Wrote: No, you can't. You could lose your job if you consistently do it after being corrected or keep doing it for the purpose of causing psychological distress or as a form of harassment. But firing someone for merely misgendering someone would be a wrongful dismal.  


Being nude in front of a child isn't a sex offense if it's in a venue where people are naked anyway. Why would a pussy be more offensive than a dick? Should Lesbians be banned from women's changing rooms?

Well, you should contact the US Government and tell them that their, "This is Who We Are" training is in error because it literally says you can lose your job for using the wrong pronouns.  

Isn't it up to the child's parents what naked people they are allowed to be around?  Or do you know better than they do now too?

False.  Again if your intentionally misgender someone that might happen.  Every workplace varies.

Allow me to share a passage from the holy Pastafarian tome;  Elbowdus 13:7 And behold said Boiardi as the visage of the lord FSM appeared before them and spoke thusly " hear my children for I give unto you this message 'Don't be a dick'. So it was said so it was written  RAmen.

(March 25, 2023 at 5:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 5:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So, denigrate and marginalize people who don’t behave as you do? Is this Christian morality?

Boru

it actually is, and it reigns far above all else in christian notions of morality and without it christianity will vanish like ashes in a wind.   it menifested itself as the one and only morality that ever really mattered to it long long before there ever was even the father son bullshit. it started with “there shall be no god besides me”.

Ok, see, it's no fun at all if YOU answer it.

Boru

(March 25, 2023 at 5:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 5:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Homosexual behavior, in some form or another, is observed throughout the sexually reproducing animal kingdom. What, exactly, is your definition of “natural”?

I'd want to be careful here of the "naturalistic fallacy" -- "it's natural therefore it's good." That can be tricky.

Since I'm a romantic, I prefer the passionate declaration: "I don't care if it's against nature, I love you so much let's run away together!" 

And I wish them well.

I’m not saying “it’s natural, therefore it’s good.” I’m simply stating that it is, in fact, natural; literally observed all throughout nature; as a counter to Winter’s assertion that it is not natural. This is why I asked him for his definition of the word “natural.”

(March 25, 2023 at 4:59 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Well, you should contact the US Government and tell them that their, "This is Who We Are" training is in error because it literally says you can lose your job for using the wrong pronouns.  

Isn't it up to the child's parents what naked people they are allowed to be around?  Or do you know better than they do now too?

1) Show me where it says that. I'm not even saying it doesn't say that (though I suspect that if they do say using the wrong pronouns is a firing offense, it's only if it's done intentionally and/or for the purpose of hurting the person in question), but I couldn't find any information on said program (which I hadn't even heard of before you mentioned it) saying so.

2) Like I and AWTY said, group showering among 8-year-olds is not really a thing in the US. And are you assuming that the sexuality of transwomen is inherently predatory because they were assigned as male at birth? Because that's really the only reason to be this concerned specifically about transwomen invading women's spaces to abuse women. If that's their parents' concern, then they're wrong because I've looked at a lot of cases that are claimed to be examples of transwomen invading women's spaces, and I can count the cases where the perp even actually played the gender identity card on my fingers. And the majority of those offenders already had a prior record for sex offenses.

Where the fuck are all these multi-gendered communal showers SW seems so concerned about?? I’ve been in a double dozen countries, taken up residence in three, and I’ve never seen or even heard of one.

‘Accepting that transgendered and gender fluid people have rights means eight-year old girls will be showing with penis-bearers’ sounds an awful lot like, ‘If we let men marry men, people will start marrying goats.’

Boru

When I was in basic training we were in old WWII barracks and that was my first and only experience with gang showers. Since we, in the platoon, were all bio women I didn't see a single penis. 'Course the water was so damn cold I might not have noticed if there was one somewhere.

(March 25, 2023 at 5:06 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: you can do onto criminals many things that criminals have no right to do unto those were innocent

Someone using the wrong pronoun is now a criminal?

(March 25, 2023 at 5:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 2:03 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Would you be content with losing your job for misgendering someone?  If you had an eight-year-old daughter, would you be fine with her having to shower next to someone with a penis?  I wish we lived in a society where these things did not affect us, but they do.

Accidentally misgendering someone is one thing.  Continuing to do it to be an ass is disrespectful and should come with some sort of HR action.

As for gang showers and eight year olds...I don't know what you are babbling about but in my life, my daughters' lives, and my granddaughters' lives, that's not even a thing.

Rave on.

Well, you should get more informed rather than appealing to your own experiences.  There have been numerous cases of little girls being exposed to penises in womens' locker rooms across the US.  I'll stand up for the children even if you won't.

(March 25, 2023 at 5:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 5:00 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So do unto others as you do not want them to do unto you?  Is this atheistic morality?

So, denigrate and marginalize people who don’t behave as you do? Is this Christian morality?

Boru

Depends on the behavior.  I'll denigrate and marginalize pedophiles all day long.