Well, your option is either putin, or jew hating city cratering planet killer zelinskyy.

(May 5, 2023 at 8:52 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Seems like Wagner is running away

They may be, but if so, it looks like their escape route goes through bakhmut - as wagner is pulling all of it's people in toward the city at present moment - according to ukraine.

Prigo isn't wrong about any of the shit he's complaining about, though I doubt he genuinely gives a shit...either. The russian ministry of defense has clearly fucked the pooch on multiple levels and from the pov of a wagner merc, at least, it can't possibly matter why that happened, only that it did.

(May 5, 2023 at 10:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, your option is either putin, or jew hating city cratering planet killer zelinskyy.

My favorite human piece of shit has always been Idi Amin. That dude had style ... and more fruit-salad that everyone else put together:



Putin looks like a slicksleeve recruit next to my man, yo.

(May 5, 2023 at 5:35 am)GUBU Wrote:

(May 4, 2023 at 9:01 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: So, just as a hypothetical, if Zelensky says he wants to genocide all of the Jews in the world, you're cool with it because it's just a hypothetical in his mind that he doesn't have the power to carry out? Is that the argument you've just made?

So President Zelensky is evil because of shit you're pulling out of your arse?

You're some fucking piece of work.

Do neither of you know what the word hypothetical is? Are we in kindergarten here? Nudge said Zelensky is not bad because he's not taking down apartment buildings, as if that means anything whatsoever.

(May 5, 2023 at 7:57 am)Helios Wrote:

(May 5, 2023 at 7:53 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yeah, no.  The neocons liked russia.  George the Dumber looked into Putins eyes and saw that he was a good christian man with a soul, member....?  At any rate, western reticence for attacking russian assets in russia does not have ukrainian interests in mind.  Never did, and that's not exactly a closely guarded secret either...?


If the us invaded mexico in order to annex it's territory, flattening towns and stealing children as it bumbled it's way through the countryside..yeah...that would be a pretty cut and dry reason for them to strike at any us assets in the us that they could.  That, historically, has been how you stop a committed invader.  By removing their ability and their will to invade in their own homeland.  Russia is getting the kid glove treatment here, and still you numpties want us to cry into our cups for them, set upon by ukranian monsters as they are?  If they're having such a hard time with one of ukraines arms tied behind it's back..then do you really think that they can force ukraine to any negotiating table?  Or is this a fantasy that would satisfy your interests, and russias interests, by directly shitcanning ukranian interests..in ukraine?

It's like he doesn't understand the concept of war. You want to win and one way you win is preventing the enemy from moving men and materials into your country.

Funny then how all of the Western powers and most military experts are telling Ukraine not to strike within Russia, and even Zelensky is giving the public line right now that he has never stuck inside of Russia, which is a lie. If this is the only smart play, as you claim, then why is the West not on board with the plan?

And yeah, in my scenario, I'd like to see Mexico accept Russian or Chinese bombs (like Ukraine got weapons from the West) and then have Mexico use them in the US, and see what happens. Sounds like an escalation toward world war. The same as in the real life scenario of Ukraine bombing Russia with Western bombs or jets or whatever other type of toy they are looking to obtain from the West.

(May 5, 2023 at 10:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(May 5, 2023 at 4:42 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Ok I admit it. I secretly love Putin, and the Taliban, and I think Saddam Hussein was a swell fellow who I could have a beer with at the pub. Why do girls need to go to school anyways? That was sarcasm, if you couldn't tell.

This is an attempt to mask with sarcasm what is plainly obvious. But hey, tell yourself it worked and those dummies at AF can't see through it. Also, I didn't say anything about the Taliban or Saddam Hussein, so it's easy to see you're trying to cloud the issue by vomiting out a strawman.

You're a bit more transparent than you seem to think you are.

(May 5, 2023 at 4:54 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Western restraint is explained by them thinking direct attacks on Russia are not the smart move at the moment, or necessary. And Biden is no idiot either. But there are definitely a fair share of neo-cons in positions of power that would love an even more intense proxy showdown with Russia if they got their way.

Nonsense. The neocons here would just as soon not get involved at all, and the far-right loons repeat Putin's talking points with glee. Maybe things are different up in Canuckistan.

(May 5, 2023 at 4:54 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The sanctions on North Korea could account for hundreds of thousands of people dying due to starvation, but yes, it was never meant to be a one to one comparison. If dumb ass Trump gets back into power and does some dumb operation in Mexico against the cartel which leads to Mexican civilians dying, should the Mexican government then start sending drones into the US to bomb them? Maybe not the best play?

Is there any way you could have a discussion without bringing up irrelevancies like this?

How about you talk about Ukraine itself, y'know? Oh, that's right, you won't -- because you know what Russia has done is inexcusable and you must try to deflect with red herrings left and right. I regard your refusal to address points directly as an inability to do so. And in reply, don't tell me I'm wrong -- show me, with tight reasoning and an accurate representation of facts while staying relevant and eschewing these diversionary gallops.

I've yet to see that from you thus far, and tbh I'm not holding my breath.

If I love Putin because I don't support America's proxy war, wouldn't that also entail that I love the Tali and Saddam because I also didn't support those American wars either? Why would I like Putin but not the others? How does that make any sense? And I actually grew up mostly hanging out with Muslim kids in school, and I don't really know any Russians, so there's that as well. Where does my loyalty to Russia come from, I'm wondering? Because I'm a Julian Assange stan (peace be upon him)? Is that it? I can't support journalists without people thinking I want mother Russia to take over all of Europe by force? Some people assume because Russia helped Trump by hacking Hillary's emails, that I love Russia because of that. That my hatred for Hillary was so strong, that I was able to allow it to cause my mind to go bonkers and say that I now support a government and country where gay people are beaten up on the street for being public about their sexuality? This is the type of society you think I would support, after I've droned on and on about free speech? You think I'm just pretending to support freedom of expression, and then I'm going to pull the rug out and say "hah, I fooled you. I was only pretending to like free speech, so our fascist could publicly say what was necessary to get into power, and now we get to freely beat up the gays on the streets and take away their right to come out of the closet muhahahahaha. My evil plan fulfilled." Yes, I'm grateful that Russia hacked Hillary. I want every politician on the planet to he hacked, or for us little loyal subjects to know more about what's going on in this world. Obviously though, I understand the need for laws making information classified, as I'm not that stupid. But when people, even if they're Russians, can get around those laws and give us the truth about things on a silver platter via private emails, I'm all for it. I just like knowing things about the world and what's going on. Doesn't make me admire Russia any more one way or the other though.

Neocons would rather not get involved you say? Lindsey Graham casually suggests world war III



I've shit on Russia plenty of times in this thread, but if you want me to do it in every post I make as a virtue signal by me to prove how anti-Russian I am, then I'm just not going to do that. I've done it a bunch of times already in the thread. If people think I'm loyal to Russia or something rather than to my own, then so be it.

(May 5, 2023 at 10:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, your option is either putin, or jew hating city cratering planet killer zelinskyy.

Liar. That was a hypothetical. I have not used the Azov battalion argument once.

Hitler wanting to exterminate the Jews is only bad if he has the power to do so. That was your point. Desires of the mind you basically claimed were irrelevant, because they're not real, as they are in the case of Putin blowing up apartment buildings. This is why you are giving Zelensky a full pass for his crazy ideas about what he wants to do. You're basically just giving a full fledged- defense of people like Nick Fuentes here. What violence has Fuentes actually carried out? He just has ideas, right?

Your logic resembles a stone, skipping across a pond, failing to make contact with reason except every so often in intermittent accidents.

Will Nick Fuentes be in Moscow when Crazy Zelenskyy glasses it?  BOGO!

Helios and some others want to give Zelinksy those capabilities to do those attacks on troops in Russia, so I'm arguing against real people that have actually confirmed this is their position and that they want this escalation, which will lead to China stepping in and arming Russia as the spy docs suggest, and Russia might step up to tactical nukes at that point.

Remember when that Ukrainian missile landed in Poland? Zelensky lied about it and contradicted both NATO and Poland, and Zelenski called for further involvement in the war by other countries on Ukraine's behalf because Russia supposedly bombed Poland. The man simply can not be trusted. He made it clear in the spy docs what he wants to do to troops within Russia. If the West doesn't want Zel to be bombing Russia, the dog better listen to his master if he wants to keep getting those toys.