So, your entire field should be discarded, and most gun studies are flaming garbage. Really going for broke in your trollthread huh? Care to guess what sort of gun domestic terrorists prefer? If you had " a shiny brand new ar" on your bingo card you'd be right my dude. These convesations are always so frustrating from my end. All I ever see is two sides effectively arguing for why we should ban guns - but one side apparently thinks they're doing the opposite of that...?

If you want to tell people, that according to the unimpeachable authority of gary kleck..whose work stands alone in a field of trash, that there are nearly half a million fucking loons waving guns at their fellow americans and one out of five times actually popping off..that's not a rebuttal to gun control advocacy.

So a long pointless rant that ...

(May 11, 2023 at 5:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well then, 2.5 million unreported gun crimes?  Is that supposed to be better?

I'll tell you the same thing I tell US nuts who are much better at this.  You're writing the gun control lobbies ad copy for them.

If guns save more lives than they take, then, from the consequentialist perspective, gun prohibition is wrong. And also probably from the deontological perspective.

(May 11, 2023 at 8:29 am)Helios Wrote: So a long pointless rant that ...

That the Gary Kleck's study is way less flawed than most gun control studies.

Quote:That the Gary Kleck's study is way less flawed than most gun control studies.

Nonsense

Quote:If guns save more lives than they take, then, from the consequentialist perspective, gun prohibition is wrong. And also probably from the deontological perspective.

Even more nonsense

(May 11, 2023 at 9:18 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:That the Gary Kleck's study is way less flawed than most gun control studies.

Nonsense

Most gun control studies use the following methodology: look at the homicide rates in some city before some gun control law is passed in that city, and look at the homicide rates after that gun control law is passed, and conclude based on which one is larger whether that gun control law is effective or counter-productive. That methodology is seriously flawed: the vast majority of gun control laws only affect the sales of new guns, so they can affect at most around 1% of the total guns in existence. By comparison, homicide rates change by around 6% from one year to the next. So, the signal-to-noise ratio is at most 1:6. If somebody thinks he has found a statistically significant result of some gun control law, he is almost certainly calculating the p-value incorrectly, or not at all.

IKR, these terrorists keep shooting people up with antique guns. How could laws that only affect new gun sales have an effect on people who prefer to shoot up malls with their mosin nagant?

The palpable fear of gun control in the terrorist demographic is not based on their belief that such regulations would not work, but very specifically that they would. Not to reduce mass shootings, mind you, but to reduce their access to weapons central to their identities. Ironically, taking weapons away from terrorists and preventing them access to more weapons has a pretty clear relationship with their ability to commit terror attacks. Thankfully, for them, the american public in general...to include lawmakers...are extremely uncomfortable with the sort of targeted regulations that might actually make their fears a reality. One does have to wonder how many of the half a million armed lunatics gleck observed are in this demo.

(May 11, 2023 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IKR, these terrorists keep shooting people up with antique guns.  How could laws that only affect new gun sales have an effect on people who prefer to shoot up malls with their mosin nagant?

Interesting how they keep getting found at the scenes with ARs.  You would think you'd find a musket or an old Gatling gun.

The feds plant that shit.