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~~The End of Atheism~~ · May 12, 2023 at 5:06 pm

(May 12, 2023 at 5:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Does being religious make you wanna fuck more than the next guy? I feel like I'm learning alot today about what your religion does to you.

Don't make a fool of yourself. Major religions encourage procreation so that they have more followers. This is not rocket science

**The Grand Nudger** · May 12, 2023 at 5:17 pm

Do they, how? Do they make you wanna fuck more than the next guy?

The Architect Of Fate · (This post was last modified: May 12, 2023 at 5:39 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)

Quote:Wow, that's ignorant. Even assuming religious belief is factually wrong, it's certainly not pointless.

Nope, it's not ignorant and yes it's totally pointless.

Quote:Religious belief is widespread because it's evolutionarily beneficial

Being widespread and once having evolutionary benefits doesn't alter the fact it's pointless and redundant.

Quote: religious people procreate more, they tend to have a strong sense of community, which is also good for survival.

And there is nothing inherent to religion that causes that. That another system couldn't equally do. So this point is redundant. Religion is pointless. There is no reason to engage in it.

Quote:No, religious belief is not pointless, don't make a fool of yourself.

Nope, it's totally pointless and you're the only fool here you fool. And you just demonstrated why you are a total fool.

**arewethereyet** · May 12, 2023 at 5:39 pm

(May 12, 2023 at 5:06 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:
(May 12, 2023 at 5:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Does being religious make you wanna fuck more than the next guy? I feel like I'm learning alot today about what your religion does to you.

Don't make a fool of yourself. Major religions encourage procreation so that they have more followers. This is not rocket science

So if we encourage atheists to breed more we could get rid of this nonsense of gods and hells and all that other stuff?

Maybe we should start a movement.

The Architect Of Fate · May 12, 2023 at 5:40 pm

Quote:Don't make a fool of yourself. Major religions encourage procreation so that they have more followers. This is not rocket science

The ridiculous idea that humans need to be told to have kids.... Hehe

**emjay** · May 12, 2023 at 5:48 pm

(May 12, 2023 at 4:42 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:
(May 12, 2023 at 4:34 pm)emjay Wrote: I can't speak for everyone of course but in my case, I don't seek that sort of dependence any more. I did while I was a Christian, but now my perspective is very different, based around a kind of Stoic/Buddhist philosophy of not trying to control my environment so much as my own mind. So in other words, no longer constantly praying to a god or any other external thing to change my circumstances... to do that would just seem to create an endless state of 'learned helplessness'... but instead learning to accept whatever comes my way.

While this is a respectable pov, you're being unfair to religious people. Their very religion (I mean any major world religion) teaches them to accept whatever comes their way, with the additional promise of other worldly happiness.

Why not do both ? why not nourish a comforting belief in a caring being, while also doing everything you can to improve your life ?

From my POV, the main thing it teaches is the wrong attribution of responsibility, both in the sense of theists not giving themselves enough credit for their own achievements, ie 'god give me strength'... well maybe that strength was in you all along, and you alone are responsible for your achievements...and likewise, 'god please help me'... someone intervenes of their own free will to help and the next thing it's 'thank you god for helping me', what about the person who helped?. Basically misattribution of responsibility either way IMO, and in such a way that true self-esteem is never fostered not just because of this lack of responsibility, but also because of the supposedly inherent sinful nature.

~~The End of Atheism~~ · (This post was last modified: May 12, 2023 at 5:50 pm by The End of Atheism.)

(May 12, 2023 at 5:37 pm)Helios Wrote:
Quote:Wow, that's ignorant. Even assuming religious belief is factually wrong, it's certainly not pointless.
Nope, it's not ignorant and yes it's totally pointless.

If you say so ?

(May 12, 2023 at 5:37 pm)Helios Wrote:
Quote:Religious belief is widespread because it's evolutionarily beneficial
Being widespread and once having evolutionary benefits doesn't alter the fact it's pointless and redundant.

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. Something beneficial can't also be pointless, you don't need more than one brain cell to realize that.

(May 12, 2023 at 5:37 pm)Helios Wrote:
Quote: religious people procreate more, they tend to have a strong sense of community, which is also good for survival.
And there is nothing inherent to religion that causes that. That another system couldn't equally do. So this point is redundant. Religion is pointless. There is no reason to engage in it.

This just means that other systems are also beneficial, that's not a defeater.

(May 12, 2023 at 5:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do they, how? Do they make you wanna fuck more than the next guy?

Probably yes, actually. I can't really explain why, but yes.

~~The End of Atheism~~ · May 12, 2023 at 5:52 pm

(May 12, 2023 at 5:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(May 12, 2023 at 5:06 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote: Don't make a fool of yourself. Major religions encourage procreation so that they have more followers. This is not rocket science

So if we encourage atheists to breed more we could get rid of this nonsense of gods and hells and all that other stuff?

Maybe we should start a movement.

If you do so then theists will conspire to breed even faster. Not clear which team would win in the end.

**arewethereyet** · May 12, 2023 at 5:58 pm

(May 12, 2023 at 5:52 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:
(May 12, 2023 at 5:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So if we encourage atheists to breed more we could get rid of this nonsense of gods and hells and all that other stuff?

Maybe we should start a movement.

If you do so then theists will conspire to breed even faster. Not clear which team would win in the end.

Seems that even if no babies happen it could be a fun competition.

~~The End of Atheism~~ · (This post was last modified: May 12, 2023 at 6:06 pm by The End of Atheism.)

(May 12, 2023 at 5:48 pm)emjay Wrote: From my POV, the main thing it teaches is the wrong attribution of responsibility, both in the sense of theists not giving themselves enough credit for their own achievements, ie 'god give me strength'... well maybe that strength was in you all along, and you alone are responsible for your achievements...and likewise, 'god please help me'... someone intervenes of their own free will to help and the next thing it's 'thank you god for helping me', what about the person who helped?. Basically misattribution of responsibility either way IMO, and in such a way that true self-esteem is never fostered not just because of this lack of responsibility, but also because of the supposedly inherent sinful nature.

I really don't know about that, any run of the mill religious person knows how to say thank you to someone who helped. It may upset some people that they don't get enough credit for what they do, but this can be seen in a negative way : why do they even need credit ? They should do good unconditionally, whether they get credit or not.

But sure, in real life we really do need approval, it just seems that religious people are capable of providing that, too.

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