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Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 3:34 pm
Degrees of perfection has nothing to do with thermodynamics.
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 4:14 pm
Yes.

No.


Possibly.


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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 4:15 pm
on the contrary, thermodynamics tells god what perfection means.
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 4:35 pm
(June 21, 2023 at 3:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Degrees of perfection has nothing to do with thermodynamics.

Thomas Aquinas was talking about properties in general, not just the property of perfection.
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 5:23 pm
How is the entropy going to a fixed value (usually considered to be 0) and absolute zero is approached relevant to the argument at all?
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 6:28 pm
(June 21, 2023 at 4:35 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 3:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Degrees of perfection has nothing to do with thermodynamics.

Thomas Aquinas was talking about properties in general, not just the property of perfection.

No, he was talking about perfection. This is why it’s known as ‘the degrees of perfection argument’.

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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 21, 2023 at 10:49 pm
(June 21, 2023 at 6:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 4:35 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Thomas Aquinas was talking about properties in general, not just the property of perfection.

No, he was talking about perfection. This is why it’s known as ‘the degrees of perfection argument’.

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So, he wasn't saying "If there are two things which have some property to a larger and a smaller extent, there has to be a thing which has that same property to a maximal possible degree."? I am quite sure he was saying that, he even used hotness and fire as an example.
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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 22, 2023 at 4:30 am (This post was last modified: June 22, 2023 at 4:31 am by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(June 21, 2023 at 10:49 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 6:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, he was talking about perfection. This is why it’s known as ‘the degrees of perfection argument’.

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So, he wasn't saying "If there are two things which have some property to a larger and a smaller extent, there has to be a thing which has that same property to a maximal possible degree."? I am quite sure he was saying that, he even used hotness and fire as an example.

Yes, that's what he was saying. If A is less hot than B and B is less hot than C and C is less hot than D, etc, eventually you'd get to a state of maximal, perfect hotness (probably Z to the nth). But he also talked about the same thing with the quality of goodness, to show that eventually, you'd reach a Thing with maximal, perfect goodness, and call this Thing 'God'.

The whole mishegas was an attempt to show that all classes of things exist in greater or lesser degrees of perfection, hence the name of the argument.

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RE: Is the Argument from Degrees contradictory to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics?
June 22, 2023 at 7:39 am (This post was last modified: June 22, 2023 at 7:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's a surprisingly good argument, but only if you believed that gods would be subject to natural law.

God, as envisioned by the tradition St Tommy was cribbing and bastardizing, could indeed reach 0k...and if you think that's impossible, well, exactly! God is miracle all the way up, and all the way down. Maximally miraculous. God possesses all properties, all maximal, and possesses them all in a different way than anything else.
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June 22, 2023 at 9:29 pm
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