(July 9, 2023 at 12:14 pm)no one Wrote: I haven't been promoted to F. Best I can do is E'n amen.

But thanks for rubbing it in.

Says the hoooman

Should we smite it?

(July 9, 2023 at 12:14 pm)no one Wrote: I haven't been promoted to F. Best I can do is E'n amen.

But thanks for rubbing it in.

(July 9, 2023 at 12:07 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(July 9, 2023 at 11:02 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Ok, I looked at a tree, how can I tell which one of the tousands of gods made it?

Great!

At least we’ve established thousands of gods can exist.

Have you hugged that tree?

Have you told the tree you are grateful for the creator making that tree to provide you with the oxygen you need to breathe to survive?


Have you reached down to the base of that tree and run your fingers through the rich soil that anyone of a thousand gods could create just for you ant that life sustaining tree?


Get on them knees and get them hands in front of you mouth and praise the one and only!!!!


Still waiting for my f’n amen!

Why?
what good will it do the tree?

Thousands of gods exist, all of them are the one true god.... something wrong with that!
Seems more likely that a few hundred million years of evolution makes more sense than your god

(July 9, 2023 at 1:16 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: All a person gets for martyrdom is grapes?  I can go down to the kroger for that.  What a garbage religion.

Probably not even Coronation grapes, at that.  Seedless Concord-like grapes FTW!

(checks calendar)  Damn!  Still two months before they show up in the store...

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: No sweetie, ... I provided you with an entire page of references. So far here, you have done nothing but try to scare us with your afterlife crap. 

Do you think flooding me with multiple websites filled with walls of text is an appropriate response? Um.. Think again. I can similarly answer you by posting literally hundreds of websites and books about the historiography of Islam, which say the exact opposite of Spencer's crap. And then I can claim the upper hand and blame you for not reading the hundreds of links I posted, that's not a recommended tactic if you're willing to have a genuine conversation here.

Please use your head a bit and tell us why your major (only?) source of knowledge about Islam is a far right extremist. And remember, you're not spitting any timeless wisdom here, negationist claims such as Muhammad never existed were suggested many times in the past, but were largely ignored by mainstream scholarly research on Early Islam, and not without reason: Muhammad is one of the most documented figures in history, or perhaps THE most documented.

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Biased or not, he provides evidence. If he is wrong, tell us EXACTLY where he is wrong and what EXACT corrections you have to his claims.

I already clarified this: Spencer dismisses all mainstream Islamic history, like Ibn ishaq's biography of Muhammad and such. He considers it 100% fabrication. This is flatly wrong because Muslims authenticized their history and isolated the fabricated bits.

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: You have not one shred of evidence of an afterlife.

benevolent god implies an afterlife exists, that's 100% true. So proving that a benevolent god exists does prove that an aferlife is real. but this is another topic

(July 10, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Loaded dice Wrote:

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: No sweetie, ... I provided you with an entire page of references. So far here, you have done nothing but try to scare us with your afterlife crap. 

Do you think flooding me with multiple websites filled with walls of text is an appropriate response? Um.. Think again. I can similarly answer you by posting literally hundreds of websites and books about the historiography of Islam, which say the exact opposite of Spencer's crap. And then I can claim the upper hand and blame you for not reading the hundreds of links I posted, that's not a recommended tactic if you're willing to have a genuine conversation here.

Please use your head a bit and tell us why your major (only?) source of knowledge about Islam is a far right extremist. And remember, you're not spitting any timeless wisdom here, negationist claims such as Muhammad never existed were suggested many times in the past, but were largely ignored by mainstream scholarly research on Early Islam, and not without reason: Muhammad is one of the most documented figures in history, or perhaps THE most documented.

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Biased or not, he provides evidence. If he is wrong, tell us EXACTLY where he is wrong and what EXACT corrections you have to his claims.

I already clarified this: Spencer dismisses all mainstream Islamic history, like Ibn ishaq's biography of Muhammad and such. He considers it 100% fabrication. This is flatly wrong because Muslims authenticized their history and isolated the fabricated bits.

(July 9, 2023 at 7:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: You have not one shred of evidence of an afterlife.

benevolent god implies an afterlife exists, that's 100% true. So proving that a benevolent god exists does prove that an aferlife is real. but this is another topic

Under what user name did you post links?

Welcome back! So, what is it. Hookers or grapes? Is it grapes. Do ladies not get grapes in heaven because ladies just don't like grapes? You know how men are, fuckin grape-hounds.

Would you be interested in abandoning your faith if I gave you about a buck fifty a pound for it?

@Loaded dice

Quote:benevolent god implies an afterlife exists, that's 100% true. So proving that a benevolent god exists does prove that an aferlife is real. but this is another topic

A belligerent god would also imply the existence of an afterlife. The non-existence of all god would not preclude an afterlife.

Boru

(July 10, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: benevolent god implies an afterlife exists, that's 100% true. So proving that a benevolent god exists does prove that an aferlife is real. but this is another topic

A benevolent deity doesn't necessitate any specific reward unless said deity is infinitely benevolent. Beyond being absurd, that's obviously not the case.