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**brewer** · July 17, 2023 at 10:21 pm

(July 17, 2023 at 9:24 pm)Lek Wrote:
(July 17, 2023 at 9:15 pm)brewer Wrote: bold mine

I'm guessing that you get to determine what 'hatred' is.
Intense dislike or ill will.

So you do understand?

**Nay_Sayer** · July 17, 2023 at 11:02 pm

FSM is slowly bringing him to the light.

Praise be.

RAmen

Lek · July 17, 2023 at 11:23 pm

(July 17, 2023 at 9:45 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(July 17, 2023 at 9:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Sorry. I can't find the question on the thread. Ask me again and I'll answer.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-65176-p...pid2155897

1-no
2-no
3-no
4-no
I can't find an impartial source to confirm the status of SPLC either way. Going through their list of hate groups I find right wing and conservative groups and no liberal or progressive groups except the New Black Panthers. The are many groups called "white", but none, except the Panthers, identified with any minority groups. No mention of groups that support burning and ravaging people's businesses, livelihoods, etc. Now, I agree with many on the list, but it is obvious that they are a left-leaning, politically motivated organization.

no one · July 18, 2023 at 2:07 am

Describe this immoral.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: July 18, 2023 at 2:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)

The idea that white supremacy's problem is perceptual, an issue of not seeming relatable or kind or attractive enough, is what gifted us with the richard spencers of the world. If you're convinced that this is also your problem when regurgitating white supremacist bullshit here on the boards...I guess that might indicate how you came to be such a consumer of white supremacist bullshit. It was packaged as family friendly, wholesome, loving.

It obviously works, you and the entire political movement you belong to are a demonstration of how effective it is.

Deesse23 · July 18, 2023 at 2:55 am

(July 17, 2023 at 4:44 pm)Lek Wrote: The truth is that I do love immigrants and LBGTQ individuals and everybody else, but have different ideas to help and better everyone in our society.

Do you love them enough to grant them all the rights you and i have? Do you love them enough so that they should be treated equally to you and me before the law? Do you love them enough so that they should not be discriminated against?
Its not a rhetorical question, i just want to hold you accountable next time you say anytihng xenophobic or transphobic for example.

no one · July 18, 2023 at 3:07 am

But, but, but, immorality Deesse.

The icky gays, and even more icky brown "people" are immoral by default. But since I am morally superior, I can forgive their yucky ickyness.

Deesse23 · (This post was last modified: July 18, 2023 at 4:04 am by Deesse23.)

(July 18, 2023 at 3:07 am)no one Wrote: But, but, but, immorality Deesse.

The icky gays, and even more icky brown "people" are immoral by default. But since I am morally superior, I can forgive their yucky ickyness.

I am about to and willing to give him bebefit of the doubt.
but
I will be down on him like a starving Chihuahua on a pork chop if this is gonna be another "You are worthless human trash that should go to hell...............but i love you" schtick.

**emjay** · July 18, 2023 at 4:17 am

This is just depressing; you can take your faux-compassion and shove it. The most compassionate thing a Christian could do as far as I'm concerned is quit meddling in other people's lives, and let each person, and each person alone, be responsible for their own 'sin' whether they believe in it or not. That would solve the problem.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · (This post was last modified: July 18, 2023 at 4:37 am by BrianSoddingBoru4.)

(July 17, 2023 at 9:10 pm)Lek Wrote:
(July 17, 2023 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 1 Corinthians 8:12 is pretty explicit that sinning against other people is ultimately a sin against God.

Do you think (per my example above) that it’s at least circumstantially possible for a sin to not be immoral?

Boru

No. If it's not immoral I don't think it's sinful. Like you said, there may be a circumstance in which lying would be the best choice. You can't make a list of everything sinful and say if it's on the list it's sinful and if it's not on the list it's ok.

But the Bible clearly and emphatically states that lying is a sin and that God hates people who lie. If one tells a lie that is (in your words) the best choice, God still views it as a sin. Therefore, lying can be a sin that is not immoral. Which means that sin and immorality have, at best, a nodding acquaintance.

Boru

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