(February 15, 2024 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(February 15, 2024 at 6:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Defending Ukrainian freedom makes money here. Because, let's face it, not supplying Ukraine with arms will not reduce Ukrainian suffering. So what the problem is?

More shooting does not equal less suffering.

Surrendering to an oppressive dictator would lead to far more.

(February 15, 2024 at 8:07 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(February 15, 2024 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: More shooting does not equal less suffering.

Surrendering to an oppressive dictator would lead to far more.

War is peace.

(February 15, 2024 at 8:08 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(February 15, 2024 at 8:07 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Surrendering to an oppressive dictator would lead to far more.

War is peace.

No. War is war. Don't put your words in my mouth.

There are far more causes of suffering than war. Many of them worse than war.

(February 15, 2024 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(February 15, 2024 at 6:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Defending Ukrainian freedom makes money here. Because, let's face it, not supplying Ukraine with arms will not reduce Ukrainian suffering. So what the problem is?

More shooting does not equal less suffering.

That rather depends on whether or not the civilians are raped or murdered after the Ukrainian defeat, I think. After Bucha etc, I'd rather help Ukraine's defense than Russia's invasion.

Your mileage seems to vary.

(February 15, 2024 at 6:34 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Suffering far away means profit in the US.

...while russia invaded purely for humanitarian reasons. Denazification, stopping NATO, etc.. Donezk industry is not an issue, neither is Sevastopol. The destruction of thousands of tons of grain, needed in various regions of the world....thats collateral damage. Sucks to be somehwere in Africa i guess, but it does anyway, doesnt it?.

(February 16, 2024 at 7:22 am)Deesse23 Wrote: while russia invaded purely for humanitarian reasons.

No they didn't. That's a silly thing to say.

Two things can be bad at the same time. 

US aggression: bad. Russian aggression: bad.

Trump: bad. Biden: bad.

Now we're arguing with a fortune cookie.

Quote:Fox News has mentioned Biden in the context of “bribe” or “bribery” more than 2,600 times over the past 12 months. A Media Matters review of host Sean Hannity’s efforts to bolster the Republican impeachment effort tallied at least 85 segments focused on the allegation and the FBI form that documented it — despite the complete dearth of evidence supporting the idea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...s-made-up/

Boru

(February 16, 2024 at 11:25 am)Angrboda Wrote:

Quote:Fox News has mentioned Biden in the context of “bribe” or “bribery” more than 2,600 times over the past 12 months. A Media Matters review of host Sean Hannity’s efforts to bolster the Republican impeachment effort tallied at least 85 segments focused on the allegation and the FBI form that documented it — despite the complete dearth of evidence supporting the idea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...s-made-up/

... and then there's this:

Quote:The confidential source at the center of allegations being promoted by House Republicans that President Biden accepted a bribe has been arrested and charged with making false statements to the FBI.

The allegations risk unwinding the House GOP probe into President Biden. In making their case, GOP lawmakers have frequently pointed to conversations the confidential source, Alexander Smirnov, had with the FBI relaying that the head of Ukrainian energy company Burisma told him he had paid both President Biden and his son Hunter Biden $5 million.

The indictment alleges Smirnov made up the allegations given his opposition to President Biden’s candidacy.

“As alleged in the indictment, the events that Smirnov first reported to the FBI Agent in June 2020 were fabrications,” the Justice Department wrote in a press release announcing the grand jury indictment.

“The indictment alleges that the defendant transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against Public Official 1 after expressing bias against Public Official 1 and his presidential candidacy,” they added, referring to President Biden.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tatements/

Will someone wake me up when this comedy of errors is over?