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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 6:11 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 5:57 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: (March 13, 2024 at 12:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)
They don’t have to be.
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Of course. Either way, at least they are not on Trump's side.
Whatever the case, we all might no this by now, BUT Trump, and probably the people nominating Trump are only appealing to a number of republican voters. The number of such voters may be significant in size, but of course, they do not represent the entirety of the republican party, nor do they represent the whole of United States voters as well.
I guess what I am trying to say, as much as this may be known already, is that the politicians who may nominate Trump may fail to realize that not every republican in the USA is for Trump, and they are trying to please themselves by going with him instead of trying to please as much of the republican voters as they can, as they should be doing.
The truly odd bit is that, according to people who know more about this than I do, it that Haley stood a much better chance of beating Biden in the general than Trump did, so the GOP gritted its collective teeth, girded its collective loins, and nominated the candidate less likely to win.
This, as much as anything, exemplifies the dysfunctional clown show that the Republican Party has become.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 6:18 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 6:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 13, 2024 at 5:57 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Of course. Either way, at least they are not on Trump's side.
Whatever the case, we all might no this by now, BUT Trump, and probably the people nominating Trump are only appealing to a number of republican voters. The number of such voters may be significant in size, but of course, they do not represent the entirety of the republican party, nor do they represent the whole of United States voters as well.
I guess what I am trying to say, as much as this may be known already, is that the politicians who may nominate Trump may fail to realize that not every republican in the USA is for Trump, and they are trying to please themselves by going with him instead of trying to please as much of the republican voters as they can, as they should be doing.
The truly odd bit is that, according to people who know more about this than I do, it that Haley stood a much better chance of beating Biden in the general than Trump did, so the GOP gritted its collective teeth, girded its collective loins, and nominated the candidate less likely to win.
This, as much as anything, exemplifies the dysfunctional clown show that the Republican Party has become.
Boru
To put it in a shorter way...
You can say that again!
That said, it seems like, the ones who might nominate Trump, are losing brains in a metaphorical sense (Maybe) by not learning and sticking with someone like Trump, who is not the greatest guy to be nominated for president, and should not have been president back in 2017 after what happened with the 2016 election.
Some people just never learn, Trump or his supporters.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 7:29 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 6:18 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: (March 13, 2024 at 6:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The truly odd bit is that, according to people who know more about this than I do, it that Haley stood a much better chance of beating Biden in the general than Trump did, so the GOP gritted its collective teeth, girded its collective loins, and nominated the candidate less likely to win.
This, as much as anything, exemplifies the dysfunctional clown show that the Republican Party has become.
Boru
To put it in a shorter way...
You can say that again!
That said, it seems like, the ones who might nominate Trump, are losing brains in a metaphorical sense (Maybe) by not learning and sticking with someone like Trump, who is not the greatest guy to be nominated for president, and should not have been president back in 2017 after what happened with the 2016 election.
Some people just never learn, Trump or his supporters.
There was something wrong with the 2016 election? What, exactly?
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 7:33 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 7:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 13, 2024 at 6:18 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: To put it in a shorter way...
You can say that again!
That said, it seems like, the ones who might nominate Trump, are losing brains in a metaphorical sense (Maybe) by not learning and sticking with someone like Trump, who is not the greatest guy to be nominated for president, and should not have been president back in 2017 after what happened with the 2016 election.
Some people just never learn, Trump or his supporters.
There was something wrong with the 2016 election? What, exactly?
Boru
I probably did not mean there was something wrong. I wasn't trying to imply anything of that sort.
It is just that, the Russian interference that was said to have happened that helped Trump win, if I recall correctly.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 9:22 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 5:57 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Of course. Either way, at least they are not on Trump's side.
Whatever the case, we all might no this by now, BUT Trump, and probably the people nominating Trump are only appealing to a number of republican voters. The number of such voters may be significant in size, but of course, they do not represent the entirety of the republican party, nor do they represent the whole of United States voters as well.
I guess what I am trying to say, as much as this may be known already, is that the politicians who may nominate Trump may fail to realize that not every republican in the USA is for Trump, and they are trying to please themselves by going with him instead of trying to please as much of the republican voters as they can, as they should be doing.
The numbers I've seen show about 20% of GOPers refusing to vote for Trump. Given his alienation of women and young voters, as well as some minorities and independents -- and given his 45% or so numbers in general polling -- I think the only thing he's got going for him are edges in swing states, and that may change in the next 7 months.
(March 13, 2024 at 6:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The truly odd bit is that, according to people who know more about this than I do, it that Haley stood a much better chance of beating Biden in the general than Trump did, so the GOP gritted its collective teeth, girded its collective loins, and nominated the candidate less likely to win.
This, as much as anything, exemplifies the dysfunctional clown show that the Republican Party has become.
Boru
That's as much a result of our primary system, as extremes tend to drive turnout for what many here see as unimportant elections. Extreme candidates tend to have more-motivated voters who show up for primaries, while moderates usually don't inspire that sort of intensity.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 9:39 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 11:28 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Quote:Former President Donald Trump easily swept to victory in a handful of additional Republican caucuses this weekend, looking ever more imperious in his bid for the GOP nomination. But new data from the Associated Press suggests his easy victories are hiding a serious potential problem: Never Trumpers aren’t changing their minds.
The AP reported on Sunday that even though a huge majority of Republicans appear to be enthusiastically on board with Trump, a significant fraction of those who voted in the first three GOP nominating contests say they will never vote for him in the general election. According to the analysis of Republican voters, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, 1 in 3 New Hampshire voters, and one quarter of South Carolina voters said they would not vote for Trump. While those numbers aren’t huge, Trump needs every last vote to do better than he did in 2020 when—as he often denies—he lost to Joe Biden.
The AP report did find, however, that just because those voters said they didn’t want to vote for Trump—ever—it didn’t mean they were Biden voters.
As gloomy as the AP’s findings were for Trump, Biden got his own bad polling breakdown news on Sunday as well. The New York Times released its own analysis of polling data that said 47 percent of Biden’s voters strongly agree that he is too old to be an effective president, and another 26 percent somewhat agree.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...g-primary/
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 13, 2024 at 9:40 pm
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Add to that that "moderation" in american politics is the fallacy of the mean. The halfway point..at present, between conservative corporatism and outright facism, is "moderate". For my entire life the democratic selling point in elections has been lite republicanism. That just might have been a mistake.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 14, 2024 at 9:51 am
Nikki Haley received more than 77,000 votes in Georgia's Republican primary, despite dropping out a week ago.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/45...ary-trump/
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 14, 2024 at 2:52 pm
(March 13, 2024 at 9:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (March 13, 2024 at 5:57 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Of course. Either way, at least they are not on Trump's side.
Whatever the case, we all might no this by now, BUT Trump, and probably the people nominating Trump are only appealing to a number of republican voters. The number of such voters may be significant in size, but of course, they do not represent the entirety of the republican party, nor do they represent the whole of United States voters as well.
I guess what I am trying to say, as much as this may be known already, is that the politicians who may nominate Trump may fail to realize that not every republican in the USA is for Trump, and they are trying to please themselves by going with him instead of trying to please as much of the republican voters as they can, as they should be doing.
The numbers I've seen show about 20% of GOPers refusing to vote for Trump. Given his alienation of women and young voters, as well as some minorities and independents -- and given his 45% or so numbers in general polling -- I think the only thing he's got going for him are edges in swing states, and that may change in the next 7 months.
How might the edges in swing states change for him?
As for the part I bolded, with his alienation of women, (and I know there are potential differences between that and what I am about to say) I am surprised that he is even married, more than once if I recall. Either way, I would say that Trump doesn't know how much women are actually people, if you know what I mean.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
March 14, 2024 at 4:02 pm
(March 14, 2024 at 2:52 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: How might the edges in swing states change for him?
The election is 7 months away. That's plenty of time for Trump to lose more undecideds, or for something big to boost Biden. Or Biden could screw the pooch in that interim and those swing states -- Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia amongst others -- could fall into Trump's lap due to low Democrat voter turnout. There's lots of ways changes might happen.
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