(March 22, 2024 at 5:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 22, 2024 at 1:33 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Those who go after or try to kill civic leaders like  Taylor Swift or Martin Luther King Jr. Will not be as remembered, nor have they achieved or done as much as those people.

I'm sure you're right. People who are particularly interested in history will know the names of the assassins, but they aren't household words, usually. 

For example, if you read a lot about WWI you can say who killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but you'd be in the minority. 

And even among more recent examples -- I bet most people here can name JFK's killer, but among people born in the new millennium the percentage probably drops way off. 

Some assassins mistakenly think they'll benefit personally. As I recall, the guy who shot Reagan was crazy enough to think he'd impress an actress. Though I can't remember his name any more.

Others I suspect are more willing to give everything for a cause which they think is worth giving up their own life for. Like if you think a particular leader is evil enough, you wouldn't mind being the forgotten name who took him down. 

One interesting thing though -- since the era of JFK, RFK, and MLK, the assassinations seem to have dropped off. Partly I suppose this is due to increased security. But I wonder if the thinking has changed somehow. Like killing Biden would give us President Harris, which might dissuade some people. 

What do you think? Have we moved on from assassinating famous people, for some reason?

Thanks for that.

Though honestly, I may be partially right. @BrianSoddingBoru4 made a good point that assassin's can be remembered.

To answer your question, I will say I don't think we have exactly moved on. I think there are ways that could prevent that to an extent. I mean, some people just don't seem to learn well, and don't think before they act, and as long as children do not learn things properly, I think there could be situations that start with people wanting to kill, even if it is less nowadays, and children not learning properly may not be the only factor here.

Quote:What do you think? Have we moved on from assassinating famous people, for some reason?

Anyone who even entertains this notion isn’t keeping up with the news.

Boru

Well, anyway, this discussion about assassination, as much as I brought it up, is something I think has become a bit awkward for me and everyone else. This may be rich coming from me, but why not move on and talk about something else? I do think we should be talking about more recent things about the presidential election, after all.

No, please, I want to hear what else can come out of the Faux Intellectual One's ass and yours as well.

Finish what you started.

(March 22, 2024 at 6:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: No, please, I want to hear what else can come out of the Faux Intellectual One's ass and yours as well.

Finish what you started.

It was just a suggestion. I mean, I did not think there was much left to talk about, or is there? Plus, given what I initially said in that long post, and what happened after, replies, discussions and all, I though I did derail the thread.

(March 22, 2024 at 5:55 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: assassin's can be remembered.

That's true. Although you were correct from the beginning, when you said that the killers "will not be as remembered." [Emphasis added] So it's comparative -- the victims are remembered more. 

For example, 23 stab wounds killed Julius Caesar, but most people can only name one of the assassins (without Googling). 

People with a particular interest in the events can name the killers of Anwar Sadat or Yitzhak Rabin, but most of us can't. 

Quote:To answer your question, I will say I don't think we have exactly moved on. I think there are ways that could prevent that to an extent. I mean, some people just don't seem to learn well, and don't think before they act, and as long as children do not learn things properly, I think there could be situations that start with people wanting to kill, even if it is less nowadays, and children not learning properly may not be the only factor here.

Yes, there's lots of killing going on. 

In fact I think that our education encourages it -- not the kind we get in school, but the constant lessons from mass media. In TV and movies, the hero is the one who makes the most effective use of violence to solve problems. 

There are still assassinations, of course, but these tend to be less high-profile. The CIA will kill foreign leaders, but not, apparently, at home. Lower level whistleblowers have a tendency to turn up dead, but not anyone who'd make top headlines. Epstein, of course, being an exception.

(March 22, 2024 at 7:22 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 22, 2024 at 5:55 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: assassin's can be remembered.

That's true. Although you were correct from the beginning, when you said that the killers "will not be as remembered." [Emphasis added] So it's comparative -- the victims are remembered more. 

For example, 23 stab wounds killed Julius Caesar, but most people can only name one of the assassins (without Googling). 

People with a particular interest in the events can name the killers of Anwar Sadat or Yitzhak Rabin, but most of us can't. 

Quote:To answer your question, I will say I don't think we have exactly moved on. I think there are ways that could prevent that to an extent. I mean, some people just don't seem to learn well, and don't think before they act, and as long as children do not learn things properly, I think there could be situations that start with people wanting to kill, even if it is less nowadays, and children not learning properly may not be the only factor here.

Yes, there's lots of killing going on. 

In fact I think that our education encourages it -- not the kind we get in school, but the constant lessons from mass media. In TV and movies, the hero is the one who makes the most effective use of violence to solve problems. 

There are still assassinations, of course, but these tend to be less high-profile. The CIA will kill foreign leaders, but not, apparently, at home. Lower level whistleblowers have a tendency to turn up dead, but not anyone who'd make top headlines. Epstein, of course, being an exception.

That is an interesting thought, on the part you said about education encouraging killing in the form of mass media, and mass media is rather hard to avoid, is it not?

Anyway, I do hope no one gets killed for supporting the United States before...and after the election.

Trump has just proclaimed that he has $500 million in cash, which he intends to use for the campaign. True or not, this is a remarkably stupid thing to say, even for Trump.

Boru

Isn't "Remarkably Stupid" donald's middle name?

^More of a motto, I think.

Boru