The population of Earth has roughly quadrupled over the last century. Regressing this trend into the past we find that the first two humans must have popped into existence no earlier than 400 CE. The Roman Empire never existed and Christ was never born.

(May 17, 2024 at 7:09 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: The population of Earth has roughly quadrupled over the last century. Regressing this trend into the past we find that the first two humans must have popped into existence no earlier than 400 CE. The Roman Empire never existed and Christ was never born.

Nishant is just being a good sheep: he hears something in the church and just repeats it here without spending a millisecond thinking about what they told him. That's because the first rule of every cult and thus religion is not to doubt the shit they tell them because if he stopped for a moment and thought about it he would realize what a dumb lie that was, and thus his priest is a liar and his whole religion is a scam.

(March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am)MFrancis Wrote: A generic question. How long does the population of humanity take to increase from 2 (or more than 2) to the current 8 billion (give or take)?

Population Doubling Time is a well known concept. It takes around 200 to 300 years at most for a population to double. But if that is true, since 2^10=1024=1000 (approx.), then it takes only 2000 to 3000 years for a population to increase by a factor of 1000. Next, since the population is only in the billions and not the trillions, there have been only 3 such increases [(10^3)^3] in all of human history. But that leads to a far younger date for the origin of the first human couple (or couples) than most evolution-supporting Atheists would agree with. Stated differently, if humanity began around 100,000 B.C. but yet doubled around 200 to 300 years, and increased by 1000 every 3000 years or so, the population would be >10^30, i.e. Millions of Trillions of Trillions, not just 8 BN. How do we resolve this dilemma/paradox, from within the evolutionary paradigm?

Thoughts and comments welcome.

In Genesis 2, the 4 rivers mentioned flowed together. This is only possible during an ice age (130,000 - 13000 years ago).

The earliest undisputed evidence for human industry comes from carbon-14 dates establishing that humans used tools to grind roasted grains into flour at least as long as 32,000
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Range 130,000 - 32000 years ago

(May 19, 2024 at 8:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am)MFrancis Wrote: A generic question. How long does the population of humanity take to increase from 2 (or more than 2) to the current 8 billion (give or take)?

Population Doubling Time is a well known concept. It takes around 200 to 300 years at most for a population to double. But if that is true, since 2^10=1024=1000 (approx.), then it takes only 2000 to 3000 years for a population to increase by a factor of 1000. Next, since the population is only in the billions and not the trillions, there have been only 3 such increases [(10^3)^3] in all of human history. But that leads to a far younger date for the origin of the first human couple (or couples) than most evolution-supporting Atheists would agree with. Stated differently, if humanity began around 100,000 B.C. but yet doubled around 200 to 300 years, and increased by 1000 every 3000 years or so, the population would be >10^30, i.e. Millions of Trillions of Trillions, not just 8 BN. How do we resolve this dilemma/paradox, from within the evolutionary paradigm?

Thoughts and comments welcome.

In Genesis 2, the 4 rivers mentioned flowed together. This is only possible during an ice age (130,000 - 13000 years ago).

The earliest undisputed evidence for human industry comes from carbon-14 dates establishing that humans used tools to grind roasted grains into flour at least as long as 32,000
---------
Range 130,000 - 32000 years ago

There is also evidence your brain has no wrinkles.

(May 19, 2024 at 8:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote: In Genesis 2, the 4 rivers mentioned flowed together. This is only possible during an ice age (130,000 - 13000 years ago).

The earliest undisputed evidence for human industry comes from carbon-14 dates establishing that humans used tools to grind roasted grains into flour at least as long as 32,000
---------
Range 130,000 - 32000 years ago

There is a few problems with your claim.
First, let's see what the Bible says

Quote:Genesis 2:10 KING JAMES VERSION
And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. {2:11} The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; {2:12} And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. {2:13} And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. {2:14} And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

The above is interpreted to mean that there is 1 river. Some think its starting point is the tree of life. Once it exists the garden of Eden, it splits into 4.
It is after that that you have 4 rivers and a name for each.

I’m not sure how 4 rivers become one during an ice age. Can you explain?

The people who wrote these stories were not geographers. They did not travel around to figure out the coordinates of a river.

In fact, Tigris and Euphrates merge together in Iraq. I think this was Assyria back then.
You can see it on a map here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

The writers of these stories are heavy into religion and light on facts.
So, the story is made up and this is why people have been having a hard time finding these mysterious rivers. Pison and Gihon.

As for 130,000 to 32,000 y ago, there was no jewish culture, no greek culture and probably the same goes for all the others. I’m guessing they were just a few tribes living in the Mesopotamia area.
None of them recorded an ice age.
Let’s put it this way. The people from 5000 BCE have no info about 10,000 BCE and before.
They don't even know when it was figured out how to make importing things like copper, zinc, tin, pots, cloths, needles, knives, arrows.

I remember reading about Plato’s story about Atlantis. He claims that the story comes from his great-great-grandfather or something who heard it from some other greek who heard it from another and goes all the way back from greeks from 10,000 y before Plato’s time.
But there is no greek from that time period.
No evidence of an Atlantis either.

(May 19, 2024 at 10:32 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:

(May 19, 2024 at 8:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote: In Genesis 2, the 4 rivers mentioned flowed together. This is only possible during an ice age (130,000 - 13000 years ago).

The earliest undisputed evidence for human industry comes from carbon-14 dates establishing that humans used tools to grind roasted grains into flour at least as long as 32,000
---------
Range 130,000 - 32000 years ago

There is a few problems with your claim.
First, let's see what the Bible says

Quote:Genesis 2:10 KING JAMES VERSION
And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. {2:11} The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; {2:12} And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. {2:13} And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. {2:14} And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

The above is interpreted to mean that there is 1 river. Some think its starting point is the tree of life. Once it exists the garden of Eden, it splits into 4.
It is after that that you have 4 rivers and a name for each.

I’m not sure how 4 rivers become one during an ice age. Can you explain?

The people who wrote these stories were not geographers. They did not travel around to figure out the coordinates of a river.

In fact, Tigris and Euphrates merge together in Iraq. I think this was Assyria back then.
You can see it on a map here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

The writers of these stories are heavy into religion and light on facts.
So, the story is made up and this is why people have been having a hard time finding these mysterious rivers. Pison and Gihon.

As for 130,000 to 32,000 y ago, there was no jewish culture, no greek culture and probably the same goes for all the others. I’m guessing they were just a few tribes living in the Mesopotamia area.
None of them recorded an ice age.
Let’s put it this way. The people from 5000 BCE have no info about 10,000 BCE and before.
They don't even know when it was figured out how to make importing things like copper, zinc, tin, pots, cloths, needles, knives, arrows.

I remember reading about Plato’s story about Atlantis. He claims that the story comes from his great-great-grandfather or something who heard it from some other greek who heard it from another and goes all the way back from greeks from 10,000 y before Plato’s time.
But there is no greek from that time period.
No evidence of an Atlantis either.

 only about 1.6% of human history is recorded.

(March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am)MFrancis Wrote: A generic question. How long does the population of humanity take to increase from 2 (or more than 2) to the current 8 billion (give or take)?

Population Doubling Time is a well known concept. It takes around 200 to 300 years at most for a population to double. But if that is true, since 2^10=1024=1000 (approx.), then it takes only 2000 to 3000 years for a population to increase by a factor of 1000. Next, since the population is only in the billions and not the trillions, there have been only 3 such increases [(10^3)^3] in all of human history. But that leads to a far younger date for the origin of the first human couple (or couples) than most evolution-supporting Atheists would agree with. Stated differently, if humanity began around 100,000 B.C. but yet doubled around 200 to 300 years, and increased by 1000 every 3000 years or so, the population would be >10^30, i.e. Millions of Trillions of Trillions, not just 8 BN. How do we resolve this dilemma/paradox, from within the evolutionary paradigm?

Thoughts and comments welcome.

Population doubling is not a well-known concept, it's a mathematical construct. Population extinction is a better-known construct. The human population remained clannish and without growth for eons. Wars, disease, famine, and environmental changes, all contributed to the extinction of 7 other species of hominids. You don't get to cite a doubling population without evidence of the population doubling. You will never be able to do that.

(May 19, 2024 at 11:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(May 19, 2024 at 10:32 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: There is a few problems with your claim.
First, let's see what the Bible says


The above is interpreted to mean that there is 1 river. Some think its starting point is the tree of life. Once it exists the garden of Eden, it splits into 4.
It is after that that you have 4 rivers and a name for each.

I’m not sure how 4 rivers become one during an ice age. Can you explain?

The people who wrote these stories were not geographers. They did not travel around to figure out the coordinates of a river.

In fact, Tigris and Euphrates merge together in Iraq. I think this was Assyria back then.
You can see it on a map here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden

The writers of these stories are heavy into religion and light on facts.
So, the story is made up and this is why people have been having a hard time finding these mysterious rivers. Pison and Gihon.

As for 130,000 to 32,000 y ago, there was no jewish culture, no greek culture and probably the same goes for all the others. I’m guessing they were just a few tribes living in the Mesopotamia area.
None of them recorded an ice age.
Let’s put it this way. The people from 5000 BCE have no info about 10,000 BCE and before.
They don't even know when it was figured out how to make importing things like copper, zinc, tin, pots, cloths, needles, knives, arrows.

I remember reading about Plato’s story about Atlantis. He claims that the story comes from his great-great-grandfather or something who heard it from some other greek who heard it from another and goes all the way back from greeks from 10,000 y before Plato’s time.
But there is no greek from that time period.
No evidence of an Atlantis either.

 only about 1.6% of human history is recorded.

Currently, the Garden of Eden is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.  Genesis 2 describes four known rivers flowing out from named locations—in the mountains of Arabia and the mountains surrounding Mesopotamia—and meeting together in the Garden of Eden

The only time these rivers can join together on dry land is when most of the Persian Gulf is dry. The drying up of most of the Persian Gulf requires that Earth be in an ice age.

(May 25, 2024 at 1:34 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 19, 2024 at 11:50 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
 only about 1.6% of human history is recorded.

Currently, the Garden of Eden is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.  Genesis 2 describes four known rivers flowing out from named locations—in the mountains of Arabia and the mountains surrounding Mesopotamia—and meeting together in the Garden of Eden

The only time these rivers can join together on dry land is when most of the Persian Gulf is dry. The drying up of most of the Persian Gulf requires that Earth be in an ice age.

Paradise at the confluence of rivers is a trope much, MUCH older than the Genesis narrative. The authors weren't describing an actual place, any more than Plato was describing an actual Atlantis. Both places are literary devices and were never meant to be taken as factual.

You're a very silly person.

Boru

Why would any believing christian propose something so demonstrably incorrect that it disproves a critical element of their own religion?