(June 8, 2024 at 8:07 pm)Questor Wrote:

(June 8, 2024 at 3:33 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: A priest who taught at BC High wrote in praise of clerical celibacy. He’s now been charged with raping a child.

In 2002, as celibacy for Catholic priests became a subject of public debate amid the scandal over child sexual abuse in the church prompted by a Boston Globe Spotlight Team investigation, the Rev. Kevin R. White wrote on the Globe’s Opinion page that “celibacy is ultimately an expression of great love.”

“Celibates urge us to trust that God’s promise of love and grace makes us rich enough and wanting for nothing more,” White wrote in the essay, which was published March 6, 2002. “Celibates stake everything on God, convinced that God is worth a life.”

White, then a theology teacher at the private Catholic boys’ high school in Dorchester, recalled taking his vows of “perpetual poverty, chastity, and obedience as a Jesuit” and said he later had “come to realize only through the living of my vows that I also vowed to ... empty myself for the benefit of others.”

White, 62, of Weston, was indicted last week by a Suffolk County grand jury on a charge of rape of a child. Prosecutors allege that White forced a boy under the age of 16 to perform oral sex on him on an unknown date during the 2008-2009 school year.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/07/m...g-student/

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Augustinian Catholic order paid $2 million settlement over rape accusations against priest but left his name off sex abuser list

The Catholic religious order won’t explain why the Rev. Richard McGrath, who was accused of sex abuse and having child pornography on his phone, isn’t on the group’s newly posted public listing.

McGrath subsequently was accused in a lawsuit of having “repeatedly orally and anally” raped a student years earlier. The priest denied those accusations but refused to say when questioned under oath for a deposition whether he had ever viewed child pornography, invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Church officials settled that suit with the accuser in late 2023 for $2 million but said they weren’t admitting any wrongdoing.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported last year that more than a dozen people have settled legal claims with the order and the Archdiocese of Chicago, the arm of the church for Cook and Lake counties led by Cardinal Blase Cupich, over child sex abuse accusations against Rev. John D. Murphy.

But Murphy has never been included on Cupich’s public listing of Catholic clergy members deemed to have been credibly accused of child sex abuse, which the archdiocese has described as comprehensive.

Murphy, who was never charged with any crime, has been living in West Dundee across from a Catholic parish and school.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/the-watchdo...rd-mcgrath

What amazes me is the previous lack of outrage against religious organizations that have a history of financial, political, and sexual abuse when it has been plain for decades, if not centuries, that all of thise horrors have been going on in plain sight, and swept under the carpet simply because no one dared say anything about it.

I fear it is only because they claim to be religious in some way that they have been exempted by those who do not wish to see the evil that is being done as a matter of course. One then can place politics as form of religion, since it mimics religion so well.

The label of being religious is not, and should not be, an excuse to ignore what is the worst of human behavior. Religion is not in and of itself necessarily benign, it it?

Let me guess, despite all the evidence to the contrary*, your cult doesn't do any of this stuff.

*I've seen your bio, you're a fundagelical LARPing as a jewish convert. Of course your cult is neck deep in all the evils you describe.

(June 9, 2024 at 6:48 am)GUBU Wrote:

(June 8, 2024 at 8:07 pm)Questor Wrote: What amazes me is the previous lack of outrage against religious organizations that have a history of financial, political, and sexual abuse when it has been plain for decades, if not centuries, that all of thise horrors have been going on in plain sight, and swept under the carpet simply because no one dared say anything about it.

I fear it is only because they claim to be religious in some way that they have been exempted by those who do not wish to see the evil that is being done as a matter of course. One then can place politics as form of religion, since it mimics religion so well.

The label of being religious is not, and should not be, an excuse to ignore what is the worst of human behavior. Religion is not in and of itself necessarily benign, it it?

Let me guess, despite all the evidence to the contrary*, your cult doesn't do any of this stuff.

*I've seen your bio, you're a fundagelical LARPing as a jewish convert.  Of course your cult is neck deep in all the evils you describe.

Well spotted. Messianic Jews aren’t Jews, they’re Christians.

Boru

(June 9, 2024 at 6:48 am)GUBU Wrote:

(June 8, 2024 at 8:07 pm)Questor Wrote: What amazes me is the previous lack of outrage against religious organizations that have a history of financial, political, and sexual abuse when it has been plain for decades, if not centuries, that all of thise horrors have been going on in plain sight, and swept under the carpet simply because no one dared say anything about it.

I fear it is only because they claim to be religious in some way that they have been exempted by those who do not wish to see the evil that is being done as a matter of course. One then can place politics as form of religion, since it mimics religion so well.

The label of being religious is not, and should not be, an excuse to ignore what is the worst of human behavior. Religion is not in and of itself necessarily benign, it it?

Let me guess, despite all the evidence to the contrary*, your cult doesn't do any of this stuff.

*I've seen your bio, you're a fundagelical LARPing as a jewish convert.  Of course your cult is neck deep in all the evils you describe.

There are only five or so sects within Judaism, and only some small groups of the Haredi (Super-Orthodox) have cult-like tendencies where the tendency to follow the dictates of their Rabbi might encourage such abuse. The Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist viewpoints differ only in ways you would not be interested in, and cannot really be easily discerned from one another. None have particularly large congregations, and thus cannot maintain the control needed for religious uniformity that leads to abuse. I am not saying it doesn't happen, because it does, but it is very localized. All reject Messianic Jews/Notsrim, and have done so since 126 AD, no matter how orthodox their customs and traditions.
 
I have never belonged to a church, and was raised in a secular Jewish family that never used the word G-d, complained about the necessity of even attending weddings in churches, and never spoke of their heritage except by accident. I have attempted the occasional attendance at various xtian assemblies, and found myself promptly kicked out the moment I asked an inconvenient question, much as happened at the various Christian Forums I have attempted to find a decent conversation at, although I always remained polite enough to not be banned.
 
I don't LARP, finding the assumption of Jewish customs by non-Jews to raise in me a slight feeling of nausea, as those doing so have no idea of what they are attempting, and myself having been raised in a secular family, I follow only such customs as are related to the Moedim (festivals) and Shabbats. I merely follow to the best of my ability those commandments as written in what non-Jews call the Old Testament, as they are written, and pay little attention to Jewish tradition.
 
I could more properly be called a Nazarene, but only in the sense that Jews in the First Century were called 'Notsrim'. We were highly orthodox in behavior, and were well accepted amongst Jews until political differences led to persecution. Were I living in Israel, Notsrim is what I would be called. Nazarenes in the western countries, however, in this late era, are far too Greco-Roman in outlook for my taste, presuming I could find a fellowship to attend. 
 
So, one stretches a little and label's oneself a Messianic Jew, which, since most Jews, even the Haredi, are looking forward to the coming of the Messiah, can be taken a lot of ways.
 
As for what each Messianic Jewish fellowship has difficulties with in regard to money, power and sex, I have no knowledge of, but I have some doubts as to whether they have sufficient money or power to hide anything from their members. Each assembly (synagogue) is small, disconnected from one another except for holding to some general principles under a few umbrella organizations that have no power over their members, and all synagogues are much in dispute with each other, even as it is said that when two Jews meet, you will have three opinions in regard to almost any matter, secular or religious.
 
However, you are correct that the ratio of Jews to Hebraic-seeking xtian’s is quite low in Messianic synagogues, but those non-Jews that wish to adopt Jewish culture find few cultural rules of behavior, or halacha, to guide them, and soon re-orient on the Hebraic Roots movement if what they want is to feel more Jewish than Greco-Roman without actually dealing with the Covenants that Jews believe require them to act in certain specific ways. 

Not that you precisely asked for the above informaion, but is there anything else you want to know? 

^’Notzrim’ means ‘Christian’, you dolt. Sack up and admit you’re a Christian.

Boru

(June 9, 2024 at 3:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^’Notzrim’ means ‘Christian’, you dolt. Sack up and admit you’re a Christian.

Boru

The Notsrim were and are a denomination of Judaism. We see Yeshua as the culmination of our Judaic faith, not a replacement of it, or even an amendment to it. Those Messianic Gentiles that are at our synagogues are there to divest themselves of the western re-interpretation of what is an eastern mindset, and to find out some of what they were not taught in church.

Xtian's are followers of the Anointed one, as explained to them by Greco-Romans, in the way the Greek followers of the Apostles understood it, and indeed, still do understand it, as having nothing to do with the Jews. It has led to a number of Jews having become disaffected from their initial acceptance of Yeshua as the promised source of their salvation, and becoming passionately against what they too see as xtianity, as their understanding of Judaism eventually left them appalled at the twisting of the Scriptures they found in church. It also leads to anti-semitism and replacement theology, though there are many xtians who hold to the idea that Jews are the real source of their faith. 

Those xtians that study the Scriptures in depth, as well as the Apostolic Writings, do not, as a rule, adopt the facets of Judaism that underly their faith, nor are they required to, being Gentiles and not under the Covenant, although the God-fearers referred to in the Acts 15 decree were expected to eventually take on Judaism as merely a matter of being in constant contact with the teachings of Moshe in the Synagogue on Shabbat, and indeed, their constant contact with the Jews that welcomed them there.

To you the word Notzrim may mean xtian, but it's not the same thing from the inside, you know.

Messianic Jews never, EVER refer to themselves as ‘Noztrim’.

You’re a fraud.

Boru

(June 9, 2024 at 4:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Messianic Jews never, EVER refer to themselves as ‘Noztrim’.

You’re a fraud.

Boru

I don't refer to myself as Notzrim except when trying to explain why I am not a xtian. I attend a Messianic Congregation that uses Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentile quite freely, and I am a Jew who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah. However, I am not wedded to the term.

It matters very little to me what i call myself, so long as I am understood. 

What title would you prefer that acknowledges me being Jewish, and believing that Yeshua is my savior that does not include the word xtian?

You see, I dislike the assumptions as to my beliefs that the term xtian implies. Perhaps I should also dislike the term Messianic Jew, although it is the current term that is accepted amongst other Jews that believe in Yeshua.

Would you prefer Covenant Believer? One Rabbi I know uses that, as he has the same difficulty with the various terms as you do.

(June 9, 2024 at 5:21 pm)Questor Wrote:

(June 9, 2024 at 4:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Messianic Jews never, EVER refer to themselves as ‘Noztrim’.

You’re a fraud.

Boru

I don't refer to myself as Notzrim except when trying to explain why I am not a xtian. I attend a Messianic Congregation that uses Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentile quite freely, and I am a Jew who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah. However, I am not wedded to the term.

It matters very little to me what i call myself, so long as I am understood. 

What title would you prefer that acknowledges me being Jewish, and believing that Yeshua is my savior that does not include the word xtian?

You see, I dislike the assumptions as to my beliefs that the term xtian implies. Perhaps I should also dislike the term Messianic Jew, although it is the current term that is accepted amongst other Jews that believe in Yeshua.

Would you prefer Covenant Believer? One Rabbi I know uses that, as he has the same difficulty with the various terms as you do.

Heathen will work just fine.

May FSM unharden your heart.

Thoughts and prayers, RAmen

(June 9, 2024 at 5:48 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 9, 2024 at 5:21 pm)Questor Wrote: I don't refer to myself as Notzrim except when trying to explain why I am not a xtian. I attend a Messianic Congregation that uses Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentile quite freely, and I am a Jew who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah. However, I am not wedded to the term.

It matters very little to me what i call myself, so long as I am understood. 

What title would you prefer that acknowledges me being Jewish, and believing that Yeshua is my savior that does not include the word xtian?

You see, I dislike the assumptions as to my beliefs that the term xtian implies. Perhaps I should also dislike the term Messianic Jew, although it is the current term that is accepted amongst other Jews that believe in Yeshua.

Would you prefer Covenant Believer? One Rabbi I know uses that, as he has the same difficulty with the various terms as you do.

Heathen will work just fine.

May FSM unharden your heart.

Thoughts and prayers, RAmen

Ah? What a charming sentiment, and I do thank you for your concern for me. 

Not that I can be a heathen to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. After all, I acknowledge the existence of all the Powers and Principalities in the universe, as well as the lack of them, the FSM not excluded.

(June 9, 2024 at 5:21 pm)Questor Wrote:

(June 9, 2024 at 4:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Messianic Jews never, EVER refer to themselves as ‘Noztrim’.

You’re a fraud.

Boru

I don't refer to myself as Notzrim except when trying to explain why I am not a xtian. I attend a Messianic Congregation that uses Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentile quite freely, and I am a Jew who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah. However, I am not wedded to the term.

It matters very little to me what i call myself, so long as I am understood. 

What title would you prefer that acknowledges me being Jewish, and believing that Yeshua is my savior that does not include the word xtian?

You see, I dislike the assumptions as to my beliefs that the term xtian implies. Perhaps I should also dislike the term Messianic Jew, although it is the current term that is accepted amongst other Jews that believe in Yeshua.

Would you prefer Covenant Believer? One Rabbi I know uses that, as he has the same difficulty with the various terms as you do.

*chuckle* I have no difficulty with these terms. No actual Jews think Messianic Jews are anything but Christians.

You should have read up on this a bit more before making up this stuff. Silly boy.

Boru