Quote:Ukraine attacked Moscow with 34 drones, the Russian Ministry of Defense said early Sunday morning.

“Between 7:00 and 10:00 Moscow time, an attempt by the Kyiv regime to carry out a terrorist attack using an aircraft-type [unmanned aerial vehicle] against targets on the territory of the Russian Federation was thwarted,” the Russian Ministry of Defense said in a post on Telegram translated from Russian according to Google Translate.

The Russian Ministry of Defense also said in their post that 70 Ukrainian drones had been “intercepted and destroyed,” including “34 over the territory of the Moscow region.”

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/49828...34-drones/

"Intercepted" by some buildings.

From careless smokers to high precision falling debris.

Amusingly enough, those statements aren't for internal consumption. Both lines are openly mocked in russia, where..if we recall...mocking such things is a ticket to the frontlines.

Donald Trump Jr. taunts Zelenskyy about ‘losing your allowance’

U.S. president-elect’s son shares a clip on Instagram referring to his father’s vow to cut aid to Kyiv.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-t...raine-war/

Indeed, there is no question that Ukraine will immediately stop getting money from the US because there will be no money. After Trump introduces more cuts to corporate taxes, and not to mention tariffs, the economy is going down. Billionaires are readying for the big steal.

(November 10, 2024 at 7:26 am)pocaracas Wrote: Wouldn't it be true that any end of the war that doesn't instate a puppet of the US or China in the Kremlin is a chance for Russia to rearm and reinvade (even other ex-soviet states)?

You cant imagine a russian regime that is not a puppet of either the US or China to not invade Ukraine or other former soviet republics? How did you become so anti-russian? Why do you have such a low opinion about russian people (and politicuans)?

(November 10, 2024 at 7:26 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 4:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yes, a putin propagandist would do that, by insisting that the conflict be frozen so that russia can rearm, and reinvade.

Wouldn't it be true that any end of the war that doesn't instate a puppet of the US or China in the Kremlin is a chance for Russia to rearm and reinvade (even other ex-soviet states)?

Putin needs someone else to enforce this outcome on the ukrainians because he...obviously...is incapable of doing so himself.  This isn't a simple issue of king donald going on not twitter to hereby declare something.  Boots will have to be on the ground to keep the ukrainians from grinding down what's left of russian forces, and shoot down whatever strike packages happen to wiz overhead.  Whoever does this will have putin by the balls.  If the us outlines the deal and china holds the ground then we'll each have a testicle.  In this, putin is relying on ukraine to reject any offer because he could not himself accept any of his own offers.  

None of this is in the interest of russia as a state, though, no more than the invasion of ukraine was itself.  Putins replacement might be worse than him, almost certainly will be, but they can also use the narrative that putin has been building as his own escape hatch by prosecuting and murdering admin officials, by allowing russians to openly criticize the state and spread this narrative online...which excuses the great man on account of how his generals failed him.  A replacement would not be forced to commit to putins errors, but could definitely benefit from his lies.  

So, no, I don't think that any end to the war that doesn't install a us or chinese puppet will amount to such a chance.  Only ones that directly benefit putin, and immediately, will do that.   Though I do think the second half of that is true no matter what.  The next leader of russia will by force of necessity have to look for lower hanging fruit than ukraine.

(November 9, 2024 at 9:11 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 3:07 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Not really; a Putin propagandist would be pushing for more of Ukraine to be conceded rather than just pointing out the reality that the demands have not changed since the beginning.

Actually, a Putin propagandist would be doing everything they could to still find a way and get Harris into power...

Generally we stick to an ideological binary on this forum. We hate Trump, Putin, and religion. Any statement which is insufficiently negative toward one of those subjects will be interpreted as propaganda for the enemy. Even if it's true. 

For example I said I thought that Harris promising to continue the genocide in Gaza was bad. Because I'm against genocide. For this I was accused of being a Trump supporter. As if any negative statement about Harris is a positive statement in favor of Trump.

The other day I pointed out that during my trips to China I was not followed or kept under special surveillance. I acknowledged that people more important than I am might have different experiences. For this I was accused of being a paid propagandist for China.

I'm reading a lot of whining and playing the victim.

(November 10, 2024 at 5:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 9:11 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Generally we stick to an ideological binary on this forum. We hate Trump, Putin, and religion. Any statement which is insufficiently negative toward one of those subjects will be interpreted as propaganda for the enemy. Even if it's true. 

For example I said I thought that Harris promising to continue the genocide in Gaza was bad. Because I'm against genocide. For this I was accused of being a Trump supporter. As if any negative statement about Harris is a positive statement in favor of Trump.

The other day I pointed out that during my trips to China I was not followed or kept under special surveillance. I acknowledged that people more important than I am might have different experiences. For this I was accused of being a paid propagandist for China.

I'm reading a lot of whining and playing the victim.

Sure; conditioning to have such an irrational response to truthful claims is a very effective form of social manipulation.

You're so american you think russia should be able to conquer a free people.

Ignore function removes after time? Lovely.

(November 10, 2024 at 5:54 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 10, 2024 at 5:36 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I'm reading a lot of whining and playing the victim.

Sure; conditioning to have such an irrational response to truthful claims is a very effective form of social manipulation.

Yes, and Bel shows a lot of social conditioning.

Yes, there are a lot of people on this forum with views contradictory to his.

Everyone's free to state their opinions.

But, when people respond to your claims and contradict them, expressing their own, you can argue back.

Pouting, whining, and playing the victim about it when others express those opinions, as Bel does frequently, is no way to respond.