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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:06 pm
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Quote:Good, because who cares what athe-ism as a system, or philosophy, or ideology, entails.
Atheism is a state of absence or lacking belief it is not a system, or philosophy, or ideology of any kind .
Quote: I'm talking about atheists, individuals who do have beliefs and attitudes.
Atheism by default is none of those things it's a state of lack of belief or an absence of believe
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:06 pm
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(May 7, 2025 at 12:58 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Correct; it almost certainly plays a role and colors the way I evaluate evidence for them.
Weird dude. I don't personally feel any sort of animus about most gods. Some of them are downright fun - and yet I don't believe in them anymore than I believe in yours. Maybe, like people keep telling you, believing in a god (or any other thing) is not quite like not believing in a god or that other thing. Thus, the things that motivate you as a believer may not be operative in those who do not believe.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:08 pm
Atheism is a belief like nudity is a clothing style.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:16 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief?
I don't believe in Bigfoot either...also, not a belief.
It doesn't translate to a belief, it inherently is one. Any sentence you utter that encodes a proposition or prescription is a belief.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:20 pm
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(May 7, 2025 at 1:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 12:58 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Correct; it almost certainly plays a role and colors the way I evaluate evidence for them.
Weird dude. I don't personally feel any sort of animus about most gods. Some of them are downright fun - and yet I don't believe in them anymore than I believe in yours. Maybe, like people keep telling you, believing in a god (or any other thing) is not quite like not believing in a god or that other thing. Thus, the things that motivate you as a believer may not be operative in those who do not believe. It is weird, I mean how does he feel about Superman, there doesn't seem much not to like there, does this incline him towards believing he is real then? What an odd way to form beliefs, it is very edifying though, perhaps this is why the sheeple are so easily manipulated by organised religions, they simply don't use critical or objective thinking to examine claims, it's all about their emotional response.
I remember a documentary about the Holocaust and the second world war, someone had researched into people who risked their lives to try and save Jewish people from the Nazis, it crossed multiple nationalities and cultures, but many of them tended to have one thing in common, they had been raised to question everything, and to examine the consequences of actions.
I found this:
"Analysis of the results suggests that theists are more inclined than atheists to endorse moral values that promote group cohesion.
Meanwhile, atheists are more likely to judge the morality of an action based on its consequences."
CITATION
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:24 pm
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(May 7, 2025 at 1:16 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief? It doesn't translate to a belief, it inherently is one. Any sentence you utter that encodes a proposition or prescription is a belief. I don't believe that...
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:26 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 11:53 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 11:32 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Not any psychology I'm familiar with this again you creating made up psychology try and shoehorn your make-believe theory into reality
Then allow me to introduce you: personal anecdotes aren't data. Your lived experience and your group's experience exist at two different levels of analysis.
And not that it matters, because everyone's experience here has been consistent with my correlation: they have negative relational attitudes, and they're also atheists. The only debate is whether the correlation is causal.
Your whole argument here has been on the basis of anecdotes. That you argue against anecdotes that don't favor you, but readily embrace them when they do, simply shows that you are not a serious person and are simply engaged in ad hoc reasoning. There's an old saying that you need to count both the hits and misses. You've counted the hits and entirely ignored the question of misses. That's what people do when they are operating under confirmation bias. I realize you likely don't think your belief is due to confirmation bias, but to quote someone I know, "people think they have more agency and intention than they do, and it isn't easy parting with those intuitions."
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:35 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 12:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 8:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: You might not think it is, but the attitude definitely influenced your position. Surely, you at least don't deny the correlation? It's not a coincidence why every atheist in the past few pages doubled down on God being reprehensible, when you know not a single Christian would ever agree with that assessment.
I do indeed deny the correlation. My views of fictional characters have nothing to do my worldview.
I don’t think God is reprehensible, I think the character as portrayed in the Bible is reprehensible. I also think Hannibal Lecter, Sauron, and Lex Luthor are reprehensible as fictional characters.
Boru
And since apparently John thinks his sample of anecdotes here is representative, let me point out that I don't believe in the god of the bible because I have had a bad experience with Him, but because I have believed in other gods, something I'm joined in with by 1.2 billion Hindus, 2 billion Muslims, and 500 million Buddhists. The notion that people who don't believe in the god of Christianity because of bad experiences with the god of Christianity is overwhelmingly refuted by the fact that around a third of the world doesn't believe in the god of Christianity for other reasons.
What's next on the list of tired old apologetic chestnuts? That we're atheists because we really badly want to sin?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:37 pm
Quote:It doesn't translate to a belief, it inherently is one. Any sentence you utter that encodes a proposition or prescription is a belief.
Nope
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 7, 2025 at 1:44 pm
(May 7, 2025 at 1:16 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 7, 2025 at 12:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: How does "I don't believe in a god or gods" translate to a belief?
I don't believe in Bigfoot either...also, not a belief.
It doesn't translate to a belief, it inherently is one. Any sentence you utter that encodes a proposition or prescription is a belief.
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