Was all of this supposed to make the initial claim seem more or less silly?

Oh, FFS.

(May 21, 2025 at 1:19 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 21, 2025 at 1:06 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The first day is not the start of creation. It's that simple.

Nobody said it was.

Your own Bible says it is, dolt.

(May 21, 2025 at 1:22 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 21, 2025 at 1:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You, who have spent so much of this thread telling others what they believe and think...

I don't tell people what they believe. I tell them why they believe it. That's just what we do in psychology.

Another lie. You've been as dishonest a Christian as I've seen on this forum. Your realize that lying is a sin, right? Or is that another point of contention between you and the Bible?

(May 21, 2025 at 6:48 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: What's funny is I think you know exactly how wrong this idea is, that's why you've pivoted to the It-will-kill-you argument.

Nope, you're dead wrong.

Quote:Because I think you know that photons are basically what created the universe in Big Bang cosmology.

"Photons created the universe" and other things no scientist ever said. No wonder you believe the magical explanation.

Quote:You don't get to have stars, or any other light source, without photons turning into all sorts of particles.

I'm sure you have some fascinating delusion about how we can have "light" with the four fundamental forces knotted together.

You might also want to note the lack of habitability of the entire universe for a few hundred thousand years.

Quote:And lucky us, there are plenty of free traveling photons all around us right now, and no one's dropping dead.

Yeah, just like I described. Imagine that.

(May 21, 2025 at 7:04 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: "Photons created the universe" and other things no scientist ever said. No wonder you believe the magical explanation.

Do photons not turn into electrons? Do they not turn into quarks? Were photons not the primary building blocks of all matter you see around you?

Lemons float but limes sink.

The notion that the Earth was a blank void just 600 years ago (and counting) is without merit. I have this cool sedimentary rock, filled with brachiopod fossils that's clearly a shallow-water marine ecosystem from the Devonian. Cutting that is a granite that dates to 350 Ma. The granite produces a contact aureole that extends several hundred meters out into the sedimentary rock, so the relationship is pretty unambiguous. That entire mess has been folded, shoved up onto land, and had several kilometers eroded off the top down to the present-day surface. There are at least five different processes preserved by this one small piece of the map, any one of which would take a few million years. I have a few options:

(1) A Bronze Age myth isn't meant to be taken as scientific fact and The Bible wasn't meant to be read literally. Many Christians would agree with this and it strikes me as the obvious answer.

(2) Everything we think we know about material science and physics is wrong and these processes can be run at speed. Seems unlikely given the energies involved.

(3) All of Creation is one vast fraud and no examination of it will reveal anything true. This says something Interesting about The Creator.

(4) The joke's on the Christians. The answer above is correct, but it isn't there god. It's Anansi and he invented white evangelicals just to fuck with them.

(May 21, 2025 at 7:27 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 21, 2025 at 7:04 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: "Photons created the universe" and other things no scientist ever said. No wonder you believe the magical explanation.

Do photons not turn into electrons? Do they not turn into quarks? Were photons not the primary building blocks of all matter you see around you?

Not at energy densities within several orders of magnitude of what you, or I, or photosynthetic life can survive.

(May 21, 2025 at 7:27 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 21, 2025 at 7:04 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: "Photons created the universe" and other things no scientist ever said. No wonder you believe the magical explanation.

Do photons not turn into electrons? Do they not turn into quarks? Were photons not the primary building blocks of all matter you see around you?

And no, they don't. Photons the primary building block?!? I had to read that twice to parse how wrong it was. They're bosons with integer spin and no rest mass. Wrong type of matter.