(May 31, 2025 at 11:49 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If these people are criminals they should be tried in a court of law and given the chance to defend themselves... oh, sorry, that only happens in civilised countries.

(May 31, 2025 at 1:19 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: All Constitutional rights, including the right to due process, are extended to all people in America, including noncitizens, including illegal aliens.

In theory, of course.

(May 31, 2025 at 1:52 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(May 31, 2025 at 1:19 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: All Constitutional rights, including the right to due process, are extended to all people in America, including noncitizens, including illegal aliens.

In theory, of course.

Does Trump know anything about the constitution, and if he does, does he care?

(May 31, 2025 at 1:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 31, 2025 at 11:49 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If these people are criminals they should be tried in a court of law and given the chance to defend themselves... oh, sorry, that only happens in civilised countries.

As I mentioned in another thread, being in the US illegally is not, in and of itself, a crime. But that’s neither here nor there - anyone being deported should have the right to challenge it.

Boru

Quote:The Justice Department is wielding a little-known law to criminally charge unauthorized immigrants who have failed to register their presence in the country, threatening them with potential jail time and fines under a new Trump administration initiative.

The first prosecutions came just days after authorities on April 11 resurrected a federal registration requirement, used during World War II, to meet the goals of an executive order from President Donald Trump. Administration officials described the regulation, which mandates that people 14 and older provide fingerprints and home addresses, as a national security precaution that will allow authorities to more closely track the whereabouts of millions of immigrants in the United States.

But the Justice Department’s early attempts to win convictions against those who fail to register have faced skepticism and defeats before some federal judges. And the initiative has been met with sharp opposition from immigrant advocates, who warn that registering with the government could expose migrants to a greater risk of deportation.

Since April 11, when the Department of Homeland Security established a new immigrant registration form, prosecutors have used a statute created in 1940 to charge dozens of people across the country with failing to sign up — a misdemeanor offense punishable by up to six months in prison and $5,000 in fines.

Although most cases are in the early stages of adjudication, at least six in which defendants challenged the charges have been thrown out by judges or withdrawn by prosecutors amid questioning from the courts, according to a Washington Post analysis of court records. More than a dozen others have already pleaded guilty.

In some instances, judges chided prosecutors for relying on a statute that has not been widely enforced in more than half a century to target people who until just weeks ago had no way to comply.

(May 30, 2025 at 6:50 am)Alan V Wrote:

(May 30, 2025 at 6:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Really? I can. Justices who are bought and paid for will have no problem using novel interpretations of your Constitution to rule however Trump wants them to.

Boru

I realize that exceptions to the Constitution's delegation of tariffs to Congress have been written into law, but Trump is pressing the boundaries of any reasonable interpretations of those laws to make them do what he wants them to.  That's what the judges' pushback on his interpretation of the IEEPA was about.  And yes, Trump can resort to other laws to try to impose the same tariffs.  But he is certainly testing the limits of presidential powers, and is undermining essential checks and balances in the process.

If Congress was in the hands of Democrats, Trump would already be constrained by their pushback against his abuse of the tariff laws.