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Russia and Ukraine
RE: Russia and Ukraine
(Today at 4:37 am)Belacqua Wrote: Tulsi Gabbard tweeted this just now:

Quote:Deep State warmongers and their Propaganda Media are again trying to undermine President Trump’s efforts to bring peace to Ukraine—and indeed Europe—by falsely claiming that the ‘U.S. intelligence community’ agrees to and supports EU/NATO viewpoint that Russia’s aim is to invade/conquer Europe (in order to gin up support for their pro-war policies). The truth is that ‘US intelligence’ assesses that Russia does not even have the capability to conquer and occupy Ukraine, what to speak of ‘invading and occupying’ Europe.

But again, any statement from "the intelligence community" should be taken with extreme skepticism.

Russias capabilities and Russias goals do not need to align. Thats exactly what the entire Ukraine war is about. That seems to have escaped Gabbard....and you.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(11 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:
(Today at 4:37 am)Belacqua Wrote: Tulsi Gabbard tweeted this just now:


She's the Director of National Intelligence.

This points to a contradiction that we hear a lot:

1) Russia is incompetent, all of its good soldiers have been killed and they're sending unmotivated office staff to the front, their weapons are all gone and were inferior anyway, it can't do military strategy, and

2) Russia is an imminent threat to Europe.

But again, any statement from "the intelligence community" should be taken with extreme skepticism.
No matter how incompetent (and as war shows answer is really, really incompetent) putler jackboots are they still can kill civilians and damage infrastructure. There is also propaganda to consider so russia while inept in general still might be threat.

Can you link me to a recent book or article explaining why Russia will collapse soon? I'm genuinely curious about what you're reading.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(10 hours ago)Belacqua Wrote:
(11 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: No matter how incompetent (and as war shows answer is really, really incompetent) putler jackboots are they still can kill civilians and damage infrastructure. There is also propaganda to consider so russia while inept in general still might be threat.

Can you link me to a recent book or article explaining why Russia will collapse soon? I'm genuinely curious about what you're reading.

I said nothing about it collapsing soon (though I wouldn't be against such thing) merely that every day of Ukraine bleeding it makes it closer to collapse which should be obvious as one can't keep country on war footing indefinitely. As to my sources - https://krytykapolityczna.pl/swiat/rosja...-protesty/

You will have to run it through translator.
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Mikhail Bakunin.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(10 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:
(10 hours ago)Belacqua Wrote: Can you link me to a recent book or article explaining why Russia will collapse soon? I'm genuinely curious about what you're reading.

I said nothing about it collapsing soon (though I wouldn't be against such thing) merely that every day of Ukraine bleeding it makes it closer to collapse which should be obvious as one can't keep country on war footing indefinitely. As to my sources - https://krytykapolityczna.pl/swiat/rosja...-protesty/

You will have to run it through translator.

Thank you, I'll take a look.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(10 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:
(10 hours ago)Belacqua Wrote: Can you link me to a recent book or article explaining why Russia will collapse soon? I'm genuinely curious about what you're reading.

I said nothing about it collapsing soon (though I wouldn't be against such thing) merely that every day of Ukraine bleeding it makes it closer to collapse which should be obvious as one can't keep country on war footing indefinitely. As to my sources - https://krytykapolityczna.pl/swiat/rosja...-protesty/

You will have to run it through translator.

Well this article certainly paints a grimmer picture than anything else I've seen in a serious publication. 

Naturally we hear about shortages of things that have to be imported, and different problems that you'd expect in a wartime economy. 

Of course since I don't know Polish I haven't heard of the periodical before, but Googling around it does seem to have a good reputation, and of course I like that fact that it has a progressive orientation. 

I suppose it comes down to a war of attrition, and which country can keep itself afloat longer while sustaining the war. Famously, Russia tends to win wars of attrition. Ukraine's economy of course is not in good condition, so how well it keeps going depends entirely on how much money other countries give it. With America now wanting to disengage from the whole fiasco, I don't think it's a very optimistic picture. 

So if we go back to my earlier question, about what we can hope for from the EU's recent promise of a loan. If the plan is just to keep Ukraine from total failure until Russia's economy completely collapses, or until the people of Russia organize some kind of glorious democratic revolution to oust Putin, I don't have much confidence in its success. 

Russia, and before that of course the Soviet Union, has been America's designated enemy since the Cold War. A great deal has been written about it that was intended to shape public opinion. I tend to be skeptical of publications with obvious political agendas. I have never been to Russia, but I know for a fact that much of what is written about China in the Anglophone media is pure fiction. The desire to make China into an enemy is very unfortunate. 

For example, the Economist magazine, which is supposed to be a serious periodical, is sort of a joke among people who know China well, because it confidently predicts the collapse of China's economy every six months or so. But China's economy never cooperates with that prediction, and recently even the Economist admitted that economically China has "won" 2025. 

A while back I mentioned on this forum how China has built many miles of high speed rail for other countries in Asia, and someone replied immediately, in a sort of knee-jerk way, that everything China builds is of poor quality. That's simply not true, but someone who has never been to China or ridden on its trains feels confident in passing judgment, based on no experience at all. 

Anyway, I bring up this tangent because even supposedly serious publications in the Anglophone world can be wildly distorted by ideology, and I think we have to be especially cautious when reading about America's economic competitors. This does not mean that what Putin says is true of course. Only that anti-Russian reporting may also be misleading. 

So I appreciate you linking me to an article from a perspective that I haven't seen before. Thank you again.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
Belacqua Wrote:With America now wanting to disengage from the whole fiasco

Fiasco? Maybe you want Ukraine to apologize to you for not having a war more to your liking?

Belacqua Wrote:So if we go back to my earlier question, about what we can hope for from the EU's recent promise of a loan.

You know how you ridiculed Zelensky for ordering warplanes he "doesn't have money for" and you proclaimed him insane? Well, now he has money for airplanes that will bomb Russians and you are the insane one.

Belacqua Wrote:Russia, and before that of course the Soviet Union, has been America's designated enemy since the Cold War.

Ah, Belacqua's relentless attempt to portray Russia as a victim. But the truth is that the US didn't designate Russia as an enemy. Just the opposite. The whole world tried to work with Russia and trade with them in hope of getting them to normalcy that every country needs years to achieve after it leaves communism, but it didn't pan out because Putin is insane. And the world should have acted before and not ignore Russia's pseudo democracy.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(8 hours ago)Belacqua Wrote:
(10 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: I said nothing about it collapsing soon (though I wouldn't be against such thing) merely that every day of Ukraine bleeding it makes it closer to collapse which should be obvious as one can't keep country on war footing indefinitely. As to my sources - https://krytykapolityczna.pl/swiat/rosja...-protesty/

You will have to run it through translator.

Well this article certainly paints a grimmer picture than anything else I've seen in a serious publication. 

Naturally we hear about shortages of things that have to be imported, and different problems that you'd expect in a wartime economy. 

Of course since I don't know Polish I haven't heard of the periodical before, but Googling around it does seem to have a good reputation, and of course I like that fact that it has a progressive orientation. 

I suppose it comes down to a war of attrition, and which country can keep itself afloat longer while sustaining the war. Famously, Russia tends to win wars of attrition. Ukraine's economy of course is not in good condition, so how well it keeps going depends entirely on how much money other countries give it. With America now wanting to disengage from the whole fiasco, I don't think it's a very optimistic picture. 

So if we go back to my earlier question, about what we can hope for from the EU's recent promise of a loan. If the plan is just to keep Ukraine from total failure until Russia's economy completely collapses, or until the people of Russia organize some kind of glorious democratic revolution to oust Putin, I don't have much confidence in its success. 

Russia, and before that of course the Soviet Union, has been America's designated enemy since the Cold War. A great deal has been written about it that was intended to shape public opinion. I tend to be skeptical of publications with obvious political agendas. I have never been to Russia, but I know for a fact that much of what is written about China in the Anglophone media is pure fiction. The desire to make China into an enemy is very unfortunate. 

For example, the Economist magazine, which is supposed to be a serious periodical, is sort of a joke among people who know China well, because it confidently predicts the collapse of China's economy every six months or so. But China's economy never cooperates with that prediction, and recently even the Economist admitted that economically China has "won" 2025. 

A while back I mentioned on this forum how China has built many miles of high speed rail for other countries in Asia, and someone replied immediately, in a sort of knee-jerk way, that everything China builds is of poor quality. That's simply not true, but someone who has never been to China or ridden on its trains feels confident in passing judgment, based on no experience at all. 

Anyway, I bring up this tangent because even supposedly serious publications in the Anglophone world can be wildly distorted by ideology, and I think we have to be especially cautious when reading about America's economic competitors. This does not mean that what Putin says is true of course. Only that anti-Russian reporting may also be misleading. 

So I appreciate you linking me to an article from a perspective that I haven't seen before. Thank you again.

Things are really simple here - russia is a rogue state (and one hilariously incompetent considering how long ago war was supposed to end) guilty of starting war (and it's not its first one) and threat to Europe in general and Eastern Europe in particular. Thus money spent to keep it bleeding itself are money well spent. I also would argue that Europe need send more weapons and ammunition as every russian killed is a russian that will not be in any other potential battlefield, nor will he help with rebuilding if it ever comes to that.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(Today at 4:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: Just for fun I asked Grok if what you say is true. Here is what it said:




Well, I don't know. Maybe Elon has made a deal with old Putin. But this echoes what I've read elsewhere. 

We can always hope, I guess. But it doesn't do any good to ignore the facts.

Wait, you're not only appealing to artificial "intelligence", but one known to have fascist bias?

Christ on a stick. You are such a puppet. I'd feel sorry for you, but you've chosen to be this stupid. It's on you.

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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(10 hours ago)Belacqua Wrote: Can you link me to a recent book or article explaining why Russia will collapse soon? I'm genuinely curious about what you're reading.

Why, when you refuse to present the sources you've been asked?

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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(7 hours ago)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: Things are really simple here - russia is a rogue state (and one hilariously incompetent considering how long ago war was supposed to end) guilty of starting war (and it's not its first one) and threat to Europe in general and Eastern Europe in particular. Thus money spent to keep it bleeding itself are money well spent. I also would argue that Europe need send more weapons and ammunition as every russian killed is a russian that will not be in any other potential battlefield, nor will he help with rebuilding if it ever comes to that.

This is all in keeping with what I've read elsewhere: that this is largely a proxy war for the purpose of weakening Russia.
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