(Yesterday at 6:01 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(Yesterday at 5:58 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: You fucked your dad in the ass

Is that really the best you can do? Your deity must be so disappointed that it created syphilis and all it got was you.

You started it, asshole. I can play that game, too

*OK, fine...

I should add that you are free to mock and ridicule statements/arguments

(Yesterday at 4:11 am)AngelThMan Wrote:

(Yesterday at 1:20 am)Ravenshire Wrote: You really don't read for comprehension, do you? I never said nothing is bad. Perhaps you can re-read my post and comment on where you missed what I was saying.

Or, are you just trying to build a straw-man army?!?

You said evil is not a force in the world. What does that mean?

I explained that in my post. If your reading comprehension is so poor that you can't figure it out, that's a 'you' problem.

(Yesterday at 5:38 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: If you can show me how there can be objective morality under atheism ....

I did, using a dictionary definition of objective. "Objective" means according to the facts. Therefore liars who try to cheat others are immoral, etc. etc.

So atheists use facts to derive their moral perspectives, just like almost all people. You see our moral standards voiced in this forum all the time.

Perhaps you think that humans have no moral impulses unless they are given to them by God. This is incorrect per evolutionary psychology. We evolved to be empathetic social creatures, and we can be real sticklers about fairness. Philosophy simply works from that basis in human nature.

So "all men are created equal" can be derived from that common, evolved human nature as well as from any God-concept. Better in fact, since science avoids religious tribalism.

Just as religious people have a mythology about how the world was created, so too they have a mythology about how people derived their moral perspectives.

(Yesterday at 6:35 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(Yesterday at 4:11 am)AngelThMan Wrote: You said evil is not a force in the world. What does that mean?

I explained that in my post. If your reading comprehension so poor that you can't figure it out, that's a 'you' problem.

Evil being force is a nonsensical statement. I've never made any such claim, so not sure what you meant by bringing it up

(Yesterday at 6:36 pm)Alan V Wrote:

(Yesterday at 5:38 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: If you can show me how there can be objective morality under atheism ....

I did, using a dictionary definition of objective.  "Objective" means according to the facts.  Therefore liars who try to cheat others are immoral, etc. etc.

So atheists use facts to derive their moral perspectives, just like almost all people.  You see our moral standards voiced in this forum all the time.

Perhaps you think that humans have no moral impulses unless they are given to them by God.  This is incorrect per evolutionary psychology.  We evolved to be empathetic social creatures, and we can be real sticklers about fairness.  Philosophy simply works from that basis in human nature.

So "all men are created equal" can be derived from that common, evolved human nature as well as from any God-concept.  Better in fact, since science avoids religious tribalism.

Just as religious people have a mythology about how the world was created, so too they have a mythology about how people derived their moral perspectives.

Even if "based on facts," why is anyone obligated to observe it if they can evade the law?

(Yesterday at 8:28 am)AngelThMan Wrote:

(Yesterday at 8:06 am)Deesse23 Wrote: This guy keeps repeating how dumb Atheists are. I wonder how dumb he was when he was an Atheist.

So far no one except one person engaged. The others were all over the place, changing the topic, Gish-galloping and crashing out. Not one was able to show how an OBJECTIVE standard for morality can exist without a deity. Can YOU actually do it without a tu quoque fallacy, answering with a question, whataboutism, red herring, etc.?

There's no objective standard for morality with your gawd. Why do we need to posit one without gawd(s)?

(Yesterday at 6:41 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Even if "based on facts," why is anyone obligated to observe it if they can evade the law?

Nobody is obligated to observe any laws other than the ones of physics. As amply demonstrated by this long list of people who clearly didn't.