He didn't say the Church was established by those who knew Jesus. He said it was set up by those said (i.e. traditionally held) to have known him. There is a difference.

Zakir never responded when I said that, in the past, Christians were the most quickly growing religion, not Islam.

I also said that Islam, like Christianity, will eventually decline, and that rate of conversion has no bearing on truth.

Zakir's arguments, which I collected both from his words and by visiting the links he posted. I have not used the exact words, as I don't have enough space or time.

1. The Koran is so well written, it must have been either written by a god or inspired by a god.

Answer: People can write pretty damn well. Anyway, none of the English translations sounded very good to me. This point is based on nothing more than ridiculous bias.

2. Muhammed was completely honest, and there were other witnesses to events in the Koran.

Answer: Prove to me that Muhammed was completely honest, (you can't) and this point will be valid. Saying that he was completely honest because of a god is not proof- because it is circular logic at that point.
Also, aliens have had many witnesses, as have many Christian miracles. DO you believe in both the Christian god and aliens?

3. 1.8 billion people follow Islam, so it must be true.

Answer: There are 2.2 billion Christians. Are they all wrong?
http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global...-exec.aspx

BTW, I looked at all your links on why the moon really split. Two of them link to amateur, non-scientific opinion pages, and one to a forum. None are actual evidence.

(February 1, 2012 at 6:30 pm)Aegrus Wrote: Zakir never responded when I said that, in the past, Christians were the most quickly growing religion, not Islam.

I also said that Islam, like Christianity, will eventually decline, and that rate of conversion has no bearing on truth.

Zakir's arguments, which I collected both from his words and by visiting the links he posted. I have not used the exact words, as I don't have enough space or time.

1. The Koran is so well written, it must have been either written by a god or inspired by a god.

Answer: People can write pretty damn well. Anyway, none of the English translations sounded very good to me. This point is based on nothing more than ridiculous bias.

2. Muhammed was completely honest, and there were other witnesses to events in the Koran.

Answer: Prove to me that Muhammed was completely honest, (you can't) and this point will be valid. Saying that he was completely honest because of a god is not proof- because it is circular logic at that point.
Also, aliens have had many witnesses, as have many Christian miracles. DO you believe in both the Christian god and aliens?

3. 1.8 billion people follow Islam, so it must be true.

Answer: There are 2.2 billion Christians. Are they all wrong?
http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global...-exec.aspx

BTW, I looked at all your links on why the moon really split. Two of them link to amateur, non-scientific opinion pages, and one to a forum. None are actual evidence.

What about the vidoes I psoted. watch them.

How do you know he didn't watch them. So condescending to assume that someone hasnt seen your so called evidence and dismissed because we "dont understand it or havnt seen it". Kindly go away if you dont care what we have to say because we dont buy the mythology youre selling.

(February 1, 2012 at 6:39 pm)Hitchslap Wrote: How do you know he didn't watch them. So condescending to assume that someone hasnt seen your so called evidence and dismissed because we "dont understand it or havnt seen it". Kindly go away if you dont care what we have to say because we dont buy the mythology youre selling.

This is exactly why I struggle to take you seriously.

Because I'm a rational person and I don't buy the first fairy tale I'm told as a child?

And I dont need your damn permission to be taken seriously.

(February 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Hitchslap Wrote: Because I'm a rational person and I don't buy the first fairy tale I'm told as a child?

And I dont need your damn permission to be taken seriously.

I'm about to message Rayaan for some help debunking you guys.

I simply cannot answer 10 people at one time.

Quote:This is exactly why I struggle to take you seriously.

Fair enough; we don't take you seriously either,most of us are too busy laughing at you.


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(February 1, 2012 at 6:48 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Hitchslap Wrote: Because I'm a rational person and I don't buy the first fairy tale I'm told as a child?

And I dont need your damn permission to be taken seriously.

I'm about to message Rayaan for some help debunking you guys.

I simply cannot answer 10 people at one time.

And now you know why we dont take you seriously, you're a coward running around with circular arguments who won't listen to reason.

(February 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm)Hitchslap Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 6:48 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Hitchslap Wrote: Because I'm a rational person and I don't buy the first fairy tale I'm told as a child?

And I dont need your damn permission to be taken seriously.

I'm about to message Rayaan for some help debunking you guys.

I simply cannot answer 10 people at one time.

And now you know why we dont take you seriously, you're a coward running around with circular arguments who won't listen to reason.

You mean I'm a mature enough to give arguments to why Islam is the true religion of Allah the Almighty and not reply back to insults thrown at me and my religion?