Quote:Let me get this straight: because Christians say such nasty things about some other group, it's okay for you to say nasty things about them.

NOT because they are Christians saying nasty things, but because they are human beings acting like arseholes...


Not being a believer, I do not accept 'turn the other cheek".

Get in my face or insult me here on this forum or in public,I may say some very unkind things,and use some very coarse language. Punch me in the face, I will hit you with a brick.

I do not subscribe to smug,hypocritical, bourgeois Judeo-Christian values.

(January 26, 2012 at 7:10 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Gyrating naked women in the street get arrested for public indecency. So why not gyrating naked men like the above?

Or, vice versa: if we're allowing gyrating naked men in the streets I want to see that at least balanced with as many, or preferably more, gyrating naked ladies!

I kinda like the ratio of gyrating naked men in the streets to gyrating naked women in the streets.

(February 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Me 2. But then I'd have to sin. Again! Twice!

Same here. I loves me some crab legs.

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Just found this one...

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/j-c-pen...n09Vds#_=_

Ellen has over thirty Emmys? Holy crap.

(February 2, 2012 at 11:01 am)Krusedullen Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 7:10 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Gyrating naked women in the street get arrested for public indecency. So why not gyrating naked men like the above?

Or, vice versa: if we're allowing gyrating naked men in the streets I want to see that at least balanced with as many, or preferably more, gyrating naked ladies!

I kinda like the ratio of gyrating naked men in the streets to gyrating naked women in the streets.

Hey Kruse, did you just come out of the closet there...?

(January 30, 2012 at 11:34 am)Ace Otana Wrote: If people go around threatening hell, shoving their delusions down people's throats, I'm not going to be nice to them. It's expected. I will think little of you.

Right, because atheists never proselytize their own positions.

Would a "Homosexuality is immoral" parade be 'shoving their [what opponents would call] delusions down people's throats"?

If so, isn't "Homosexuality is fine!" 'shoving their [what opponents would call] delusions down people's throats"?

It seems like you're just siding with the people you agree with, not acting on a principle that applies neutrally. I suspect you're just going to support whichever side's political position you like, regardless of their actions, and argue bitterly against whichever side's political position you dislike, regardless of their actions.

Quote:I happen to support them and their freedom. If crazy anti-freedom Christians start attacking them and their freedom, I'm going to have a problem with them. They're showing hatred and intolerance. I think they should be challenged and criticised for it.

Aren't they just "challenging and criticizing" the people that they disagree with? There doesn't seem to be any difference of principle here.

(February 3, 2012 at 4:20 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Right, because atheists never proselytize their own positions.

Would a "Homosexuality is immoral" parade be 'shoving their [what opponents would call] delusions down people's throats"?

If so, isn't "Homosexuality is fine!" 'shoving their [what opponents would call] delusions down people's throats"?

It seems like you're just siding with the people you agree with, not acting on a principle that applies neutrally. I suspect you're just going to support whichever side's political position you like, regardless of their actions, and argue bitterly against whichever side's political position you dislike, regardless of their actions.

Aren't they just "challenging and criticizing" the people that they disagree with? There doesn't seem to be any difference of principle here.

The difference is it's none of your goddamned business who other people love or fuck. This isn't just politics, it's about people's lives we're talking about. We are talking about love, life, and happiness. Attacking someone's pursuit of those things will make people hate you. Fucking deal with it.

And I love how you can't let the term "homosexual" drop. Can't use gay, no, because you want to keep the last smidgen of clinical connotations to the topic that you can.

(February 3, 2012 at 4:48 am)RW_9 Wrote: The difference is it's none of your goddamned business who other people love or fuck. This isn't just politics, it's about people's lives we're talking about. We are talking about love, life, and happiness. Attacking someone's pursuit of those things will make people hate you. Fucking deal with it.

Okay, let's work with this a little bit. If the principle is "It isn't your business, so don't express disapproval", what's wrong with saying "It isn't your business, so don't express approval"? Why is it that--conveniently--it is only people who disagree with your own personal views who are disallowed by the rules of polite society to express their views?

Quote:And I love how you can't let the term "homosexual" drop. Can't use gay, no, because you want to keep the last smidgen of clinical connotations to the topic that you can.

I don't care what terms we use. I use "homosexual" because I don't know what will offend people, and because I think that "gay" tends to be gender-/sex-specific, when the principle I'm trying to get at is more general.

Also, I don't give two sh*ts what consenting adults of any gender, creed, sex, or political stripe do to themselves or each other in their bedroom. I don't find the idea appealing, but I've seen enough weird crap on the internet that the idea doesn't shock or offend me.

So let's dispense with the "you're a Christian trying to tiptoe around how you really feel" bullsh*t, mkay?

There's no work that needs to be done.

In your examples, one is a parade celebrating love, fun, and acceptance.

The other is celebrating hate, intolerance, and bigotry.

The difference is that simple. Could you have a parade of that sort? Of course. The Westboro people have there little versions of it all the time. But don't expect to not be hated for it.