(February 2, 2012 at 11:59 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: It's my 5th post or so, and he has only responded to one.

I thought that was what you meant. It appears that this Zakir (Piss be on his profit) has no interest in debate or discussion only preaching.

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Hard to believe he is of the same religion as Rayaan.

(February 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: The topic is whether Islam is true or not.

Please try to remember this yourself. The topic IS whether Islam is true or not. The following arguments have no bearing on its truth.

1. Islam is the largest/fastest growing religion - This is a logical fallacy called appeal to popularity. Just because a lot of people believe in it does not make something true.

2. Videos of converts - Yes, we realize that those who converted think Islam is true - they would not have converted otherwise. But their thinking so has no bearing on its actual truth.

3. Quran was "beautifully written" - Shakespeare is beautifully written - that does not make those stories true either.

4. Mohammad was honest - This is circular argument. The only way Mohammad can be shown to be an honest man is if the quran is true. What other sources of studying him do you have that show that he was completely honest?

I know. What is truly unique about Islam is that while most fundamentalist Christians are poorly educated, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are well educated. All of the 9/11 hijackers were very well educated, as are most of the fanatics.

Before douchebag here picks this post to respond to, it does not mean that the claims made by Islam are any more believable, it simply means that Islam is so deeply ingrained both socially and culturally that it is near impossible to dismantle the lifelong conditioning and systematic brainwashing.

The truth concerning your particular flavor and it's thousands of fellow religions is that religion only appeals to a certain type of person. Those that need it. If you need to feel as if someone bigger, older, and wiser is watching out for you, if you need to feel that there is some cosmic purpose to our existence, or a thousand other reasons then these beliefs will appeal to you, and you will rationalize them. But if you are mature, if you have outgrown tales of magic and superpowered wizards then they have no appeal at all. The theistic outlook is a juvenile notion, one that our species will inevitably outgrow. It's actually quite sad that someone like you, who obviously does not understand the arguments for your beliefs well enough to formulate your own arguments for them believes so adamantly. You believe for the sake of believing, because you need to believe. Nothing more.

(February 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: No one has answered my links.

Try debating 10 people at one time.

I have.

Every single time I debate on facebook I always end up taking on a dozen people or so all at once, then once they begin to realize they are in over their heads, they dwindle down to three or so. The difference between us, Zakir, and you is that you have an indefensible position. We do not.

Definition of debate: "Argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner."

We haven't done that so far. Note the words "Argue" but we just haven't argued about anything. I presented evidence and rebuttals to 'errors' in the Quran yet no one has addressed them professionally. I have been insulted instead.

I will not respond to anyone unless you respond to my arguments for Islam. You all owe me an apology for this disrespect.

(February 3, 2012 at 12:01 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Hard to believe he is of the same religion as Rayaan.

I agree if by the bolded words you mean remembers to breath.

(February 3, 2012 at 10:54 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Definition of debate: "Argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner."

We haven't done that so far. Note the words "Argue" but we just haven't argued about anything. I presented evidence and rebuttals to 'errors' in the Quran yet no one has addressed them professionally. I have been insulted instead.

I will not respond to anyone unless you respond to my arguments for Islam. You all owe me an apology for this disrespect.

You did not present anything, you posted links, which any monkey can do. Everyone in this thread, whether they were insulting you or not, were presenting their own arguments, you on the other hand either don't have the understanding or the ability to formulate your own opinions and thusly must rely on the opinions of others. We owe you nothing, especially when you don't even respond to the bulk of our rebuttals. You come to our house and shit where we eat, and have the audacity to ask for an apology? Get real dude. You do a wonderful job mimicking muslims, i'm sure in some circles you might even be convincing, but not here, we have seen intelligent muslims, we have them on our staff. You only have the ability to parrot other arguments and completely ignore anything that contradicts you. You need to grow up.

(February 3, 2012 at 11:25 am)SleepingDemon Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 10:54 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Definition of debate: "Argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner."

We haven't done that so far. Note the words "Argue" but we just haven't argued about anything. I presented evidence and rebuttals to 'errors' in the Quran yet no one has addressed them professionally. I have been insulted instead.

I will not respond to anyone unless you respond to my arguments for Islam. You all owe me an apology for this disrespect.

You did not present anything, you posted links, which any monkey can do. Everyone in this thread, whether they were insulting you or not, were presenting their own arguments, you on the other hand either don't have the understanding or the ability to formulate your own opinions and thusly must rely on the opinions of others. We owe you nothing, especially when you don't even respond to the bulk of our rebuttals. You come to our house and shit where we eat, and have the audacity to ask for an apology? Get real dude. You do a wonderful job mimicking muslims, i'm sure in some circles you might even be convincing, but not here, we have seen intelligent muslims, we have them on our staff. You only have the ability to parrot other arguments and completely ignore anything that contradicts you. You need to grow up.

It's not fair though. My first post in this thread and the first reply I got was this " " in other words they were not taking this topic seriously. Then when I produce evidence no one replies to me, instead they just insult my prophet and so on. I really don't what's wrong with links. You want me to write down all the words in the links? or just to give you the link which is easier. I did respond to the rebuttals but not all of them because I was lost due to the amount of people I was debating.

I want a fair debate.

(February 3, 2012 at 11:29 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: I want a fair debate.

Rolling Stones Wrote:You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need.