(February 25, 2012 at 2:30 am)chipan Wrote: No no. Not presumptions that are so obvious but more subtle ones. It is presumed that time and space is uniform but what if it's not? It used to be presumed that space was nothing, but now it's increasingly being thought as an entity. This is how theories of wormholes started to rise. It was also presumed time was uniform, but we now find that it's not; proven by Einstein. Everyone has preassumptions, but the question is what are yours? Even Stephan Hawking admits to his.

Stephan Hawking Wrote:we are not able to make cosmological models without some admixture of ideology.

Ideology is personal beliefs, so he admits that many of the theories they come up with is a mixture of evidence and personal beliefs.

And when your rather "interesting" theory that involves major portions of the universe zooming around at multiples of the speed of light has some evidence to support it we'll talk again.
Until then, still waiting to see evidence that the universe is young.

You'll be waiting for evidence that the universe is young until you aren't.

(February 25, 2012 at 8:44 am)Rhythm Wrote: You'll be waiting for evidence that the universe is young until you aren't.

True, but it is quite funny watching him flap around like a one winged seagull spewing up all this inane rubbish and then getting all precious because we won't accept it just on his say so.

(February 25, 2012 at 8:31 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 25, 2012 at 2:30 am)chipan Wrote: No no. Not presumptions that are so obvious but more subtle ones. It is presumed that time and space is uniform but what if it's not? It used to be presumed that space was nothing, but now it's increasingly being thought as an entity. This is how theories of wormholes started to rise. It was also presumed time was uniform, but we now find that it's not; proven by Einstein. Everyone has preassumptions, but the question is what are yours? Even Stephan Hawking admits to his.

Stephan Hawking Wrote:we are not able to make cosmological models without some admixture of ideology.

Ideology is personal beliefs, so he admits that many of the theories they come up with is a mixture of evidence and personal beliefs.

And when your rather "interesting" theory that involves major portions of the universe zooming around at multiples of the speed of light has some evidence to support it we'll talk again.
Until then, still waiting to see evidence that the universe is young.

No that's not the the theory. The theory is that our galaxy is the center of the universe. There is a 4th dimension of space (not Including time as that is not space). This space is curving inward toward the center, creating a time distortion that makes billions of years of interactions happen in hours or days closer to the edge. Many of these processes are complimentary to Einstein's theory of relativity.

(February 25, 2012 at 9:00 am)chipan Wrote: No that's not the the theory. The theory is that our galaxy is the center of the universe. There is a 4th dimension of space (not Including time as that is not space). This space is curving inward toward the center, creating a time distortion that makes billions of years of interactions happen closer to the edge. Many of these processes are complimentary to Einstein's theory of relativity.

As I said before fuckhead, it isn't a theory it's a hypothesis. It is your job to tell us how it can be falsified and then you must perform that test. If successful then you would have to show what predictions it makes. Then you would have to test those predictions and even then it wouldn't be a theory.

On another note you might wonder why I am hostile to you and show no respect. I'll tell you, you respect nobody and you show that lack by ignoring what people say, you ignore science when people show it to you and most importantly when you are shown evidence that contradicts your beliefs, instead of admitting you were wrong (or even admitting your belief is faith based not scientific, reasonable or logical), you ignore what was said. I for one will never respect you if you continue your bullshit.

BTW, space has been shown to be flat to an accuracy of .001%. It is actually pretty intuitive. Think about it, even a balloon's surface (definitely a curved surface) approaches flatness to a greater degree the larger it gets.

It's a fundamental disconnect Phil, he has no other option than to continue to regurgitate his bullshit talking points. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about beyond the script, as evidenced by his many predictable responses to the same tired old objections to the same played out arguments that have been peddled for decades under different names. It's breached the threshold of mental disease in this one. Chip prefers his fantasies (including his fantasies about science) to reality, I can't see anything radically altering his preferences anytime soon. The trash he advocates for here is trash he wears as a badge of honor.

(February 25, 2012 at 11:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: It's a fundamental disconnect Phil, he has no other option than to continue to regurgitate his bullshit talking points. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about beyond the script, as evidenced by his many predictable responses to the same tired old objections to the same played out arguments that have been peddled for decades under different names. It's breached the threshold of mental disease in this one. Chip prefers his fantasies (including his fantasies about science) to reality, I can't see anything radically altering his preferences anytime soon. The trash he advocates for here is trash he wears as a badge of honor.

Unless he starts showing respect to others, he better get used to me being hostile and disrespectful to him. And if it bothers him enough, he will show others respect. Maybe someone should remind him of the golden rule.

There's likely a social reward to this gibberish in the circles he travels in Phil, circles full of Golden Rule people, lol. Ignore me, I'm just expressing my frustration in yet another fundy with huge claims, no evidence, bad science, and cheaply bought "knowledge".

(February 25, 2012 at 11:29 am)Rhythm Wrote: There's likely a social reward to this gibberish in the circles he travels in Phil, circles full of Golden Rule people, lol. Ignore me, I'm just expressing my frustration in yet another fundy with huge claims, no evidence, bad science, and cheaply bought "knowledge".

Then I would suggest he learn to accept my hostility, disrespect and derision toward him.

A reasonable suggestion.