Apart from the New Testament, where was Jesus?

There are various historical references to him. Not that many though, so it does raise some interesting questions. I personally think he existed, but like a lot of great teachers during that time, a load of stuff was made up about him after he died.

(March 19, 2012 at 11:21 am)Tiberius Wrote: There are various historical references to him. Not that many though, so it does raise some interesting questions. I personally think he existed, but like a lot of great teachers during that time, a load of stuff was made up about him after he died.

There are references and most of them are from biased Christian sources. Where is the evidence though? Anyway, most of the references are either biased or they are too late to distinguish between Jesus and Christianity.

(March 19, 2012 at 11:21 am)Tiberius Wrote: There are various historical references to him. Not that many though, so it does raise some interesting questions. I personally think he existed, but like a lot of great teachers during that time, a load of stuff was made up about him after he died.

Which references are these? Josephus the JEW that confessed He was the Messiah?

For someone that did a great deal of miracles, or even 'party tricks' that got amped up, I find it suspicious that no one of his time had the slightest thing to say about him.

It's like "Where's Waldo?" Only less fun and the people you're playing with can be overly zealous about trying to explain why the guy who isn't Waldo MUST be Waldo.

(March 19, 2012 at 11:25 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Which references are these? Josephus the JEW that confessed He was the Messiah?

For someone that did a great deal of miracles, or even 'party tricks' that got amped up, I find it suspicious that no one of his time had the slightest thing to say about him.

These references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I too find it suspicious that nobody else mentioned his miracles, but that doesn't automatically mean he never existed. Far more likely is that that stuff was made up or exaggerated after he died.

(March 19, 2012 at 11:30 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: It's like "Where's Waldo?" Only less fun and the people you're playing with can be overly zealous about trying to explain why the guy who isn't Waldo MUST be Waldo.

Hahaha! Now I get why those Christian historians edited Him in! "I've given up, so I'll add Him myself. THERE HE IS! Now I can finally get some sleep".

(March 19, 2012 at 11:34 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(March 19, 2012 at 11:25 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Which references are these? Josephus the JEW that confessed He was the Messiah?

For someone that did a great deal of miracles, or even 'party tricks' that got amped up, I find it suspicious that no one of his time had the slightest thing to say about him.

These references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I too find it suspicious that nobody else mentioned his miracles, but that doesn't automatically mean he never existed. Far more likely is that that stuff was made up or exaggerated after he died.

Actually if you want to look at likely, Occam's razor would say it is more likely the entire thing is a myth. You know, the whole idea of not multiplying entities unnecessarily.

(March 19, 2012 at 11:34 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(March 19, 2012 at 11:25 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Which references are these? Josephus the JEW that confessed He was the Messiah?

For someone that did a great deal of miracles, or even 'party tricks' that got amped up, I find it suspicious that no one of his time had the slightest thing to say about him.

These references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I too find it suspicious that nobody else mentioned his miracles, but that doesn't automatically mean he never existed. Far more likely is that that stuff was made up or exaggerated after he died.

Yeah but what I'm getting at is that if there was this average Joe by the name of Jesus, how is it that something like the New Testament is produced but no one even documents this guy that had his 15mins of fame... Which then turned into 2000 years thanks to the scandal that is the NT?