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The question that shatters faith, forever.
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 (March 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 19, 2012 at 11:20 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Apart from the New Testament, where was Jesus?You do understand the NT is a collection of separate books and letters do you not? As such everything written about Jesus is either apart of the NT or it is considered to be a supporting book of the bible. Right, which is why they can't agree on even the simplest of facts about jesus' life. Matthew and Luke start off with completely contradictory geneologies and that's just the beginning. Different people wrote different versions of the same legends circulating the Meditteranian at the time regarding "the christ". None of the people who wrote the gospels ever met jesus. The other thing is that there are tons of writings not included in the finalized bible (which was not finalized until 600AD). There are apocrypha from the OT and NT. Read some and you will see why immediately. The gospel of thomas is a perfect example of an absolutely insane religious text not included in the NT. When a counsel of religious folks in the 600s deemed you crazy, you knew you were crazy!
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire  (March 19, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm)Phil Wrote: Which means they are biased as I said on page one. You're not too bright are you? We didn't come to the same conclusion and only an ignorant idiot would claim we did. I said biased sources, you said they are either part of the bible or religious texts. Don't you know how to read? If you're an adult, there are adult education classes that can help you. If you're a kid, go back to school where you belong.  (March 19, 2012 at 8:31 pm)Phil Wrote:(March 19, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm)Phil Wrote: Which means they are biased as I said on page one. You're not too bright are you? Terribly sorry about maybe i should take the time to read what you wrote on the first page. Just one thing though, If what i said in my first post was not the same or even similar as what you said on the first page why did you feel a need To reaffirm the conclusion?  RE: The question that shatters faith, forever.
March 20, 2012 at 2:54 am
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2012 at 3:02 am by FallentoReason.)
Drich Wrote:You do understand the NT is a collection of separate books and letters do you not? As such everything written about Jesus is either apart of the NT or it is considered to be a supporting book of the bible.I understand perfectly what the NT is comprised of, which is partly the reason for my deconversion. The more I was convinced I knew the absolute truth, the more I told people to read the witness accounts of the disciples. This also made me want to be able to show people the proofs that the NT could be taken as the literal accounts of Jesus. Question. Can you show me how we can conclude that e.g. Matthew did infact write his own gospel? Here's food for thought as well. Scholars say Matthew was written after Mark. The author of Mark has a humble take on things and then you read Matthew and you can't help but realise things all of a sudden have become supernatural. The young man wearing white robes in the tomb all of a sudden becomes the angel in white. Someone clearly didn't know what they were seeing. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Sorry it's going to take a LOT more than that to even shake my faith
"If Christianity is untrue, then no honest man will want to believe it, however helpful it might be; if it is true, every honest man will want to believe it, even if it gives him no help at all."
C. S. Lewis - Essay, Man or Rabbit. (March 20, 2012 at 8:15 am)Hunter9035 Wrote: Sorry it's going to take a LOT more than that to even shake my faith Well do me a favour and restore my faith by finding Jesus for me. I'll be waiting here. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
I cant knock on the door for you I can pray for you though. God bless
"If Christianity is untrue, then no honest man will want to believe it, however helpful it might be; if it is true, every honest man will want to believe it, even if it gives him no help at all."
C. S. Lewis - Essay, Man or Rabbit. 
Oh just wait until you discover just how OLD those "stories are" guys!! They go back a long long way and have nothing to do with this fantasy you cling to.
But like good little sheep you WILL cling to what you are told and obey, like good little mindless slaves that you are and not even THINK to look outside your precious religion to find out anything. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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If you and I (not being too bright) independently came to the same conclusion what does that say about you?
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