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Dilemma for theists!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm
(March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: False dilemma based on an incorrect understanding of heaven and hell. Heaven and hell are not places. Each describes the soul's spiritual condition in relationship to god. It's not possible for an evil person to be in a heavenly state. Nor is it possible for a good person of good intent to be in a hellish one.

Please notice I made no reference to religious affiliation or lack thereof.
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Yes, but you did made a bunch of claims there as I marked. Please explain your reasoning there. And provide evidence for a 'spiritual condition'. While you're at it, provide evidence that we have a 'soul'.
PS- and define 'soul', 'god', 'heaven' and 'hell' while you're at it.

I answered the question directly to show how it presented a straw man. The concepts for which you desire clarification and proof are currently being discussed on other threads in depth using a serious approach.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm (This post was last modified: March 23, 2012 at 3:37 pm by Welsh cake.)
(March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: False dilemma based on an incorrect understanding of heaven and hell. Heaven and hell are not places.
That's not what all theists believe though it is now? Your "disclaimer" of no reference to religious affiliation or lack thereof discounted.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 23, 2012 at 3:43 pm
(March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Simple question that's just occurred to me.. Just for theists!!

Would you give up a guaranteed place in heaven to save the souls of a 1000 atheists?

If you say no then you would not be judged or punished and be allowed into heaven anyway.

This pre-supposes that theists are nice.



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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm
(March 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: That's not what all theists believe though it is now?
Correct. I follow the heretical teachings of an obscure Christian mystic. And even among Swedenborgians, I'm a bit eccentric.
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March 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm (This post was last modified: March 23, 2012 at 3:51 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A serious approach to fairy tales, you mean comparative mythology, rgr? Jerkoff
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March 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm
(March 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Correct. I follow the heretical teachings of an obscure Christian mystic. And even among Swedenborgians, I'm a bit eccentric.
Its remarkable that all the different beliefs of Heaven, Hell and/or other places/states make oblivion sound very comforting by comparison. Undecided
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March 24, 2012 at 12:38 am
For many years I thought it very romantic- feeling like a brief spark bound by an abyss on one side and a void on the other. I understand how you can be okay with the idea of oblivion.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 24, 2012 at 3:44 am
I'll bet you my soul that the real answer the theists would give is a definitive NO.

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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 24, 2012 at 4:53 am
(March 24, 2012 at 3:44 am)Cinjin Wrote: I'll bet you my soul that the real answer the theists would give is a definitive NO.
You bet nothing?

Fine I'll wager my phantom left foot and ghostly right arm then! =P
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
March 24, 2012 at 7:41 am
(March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Simple question that's just occurred to me.. Just for theists!!

Would you give up a guaranteed place in heaven to save the souls of a 1000 atheists?

If you say no then you would not be judged or punished and be allowed into heaven anyway.

I thought this was gonna be a joke so...

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