(August 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm)Darwinian Wrote: I notice that you've ignored my post. Not surprising as you probably have no answer to it. Does that mean I win?

You said, "Approximately 13½ billion years ago the universe was compressed to a point with no dimensions. This, in lay terminology, was the moment before time and space existed ... there was no matter/energy, time, or space, literally NOTHING. Then the universe started."

Energy/Matter have always existed. This is the First Law of Thermodynamics. Your copy and paste job is inconsistent.

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(August 17, 2009 at 9:46 pm)dry land fish Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm)The_Truth Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't debate people that copy and paste from a website and then claim "it's their argument". And especially copying and pasting that much information, and then topping it off with a slew of smiley faces is hardly worthy of debate.

I don't debate the existance of God with anyone. I just point and laugh at people like you.

Atheists and Agnostics can't debate the existence of God with anyone. They can't seem to comprehend they are in a position where they can't win. Once you become an atheist, you can no longer argue your point, because you can't prove atheism. Atheism stands on shaky foundations.

God didn't say anything. It was Bon Scott from ACDC.

In the beginning
Back in nineteen fifty five
Man didn't know 'bout a rock 'n' roll show
'N all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do
But Tchaikovsky had the news, he said

Let there be sound, and there was sound
Let there be light, and there was light
Let there be drums, there was drums
Let there be guitar, there was guitar, ah
Let there be rock

Technically Tchaikovsky said "let there be light" according to Bon Scott.
What am I getting at? I'm saying that the story in the Bible has about as much clout as this ACDC song when it comes to what really happened. I have to say that I would rather hear this version over that Bible version any day.

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(August 17, 2009 at 9:48 pm)The_Truth Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm)Darwinian Wrote: I notice that you've ignored my post. Not surprising as you probably have no answer to it. Does that mean I win?

You said, "Approximately 13½ billion years ago the universe was compressed to a point with no dimensions. This, in lay terminology, was the moment before time and space existed ... there was no matter/energy, time, or space, literally NOTHING. Then the universe started."

Energy/Matter have always existed. This is the First Law of Thermodynamics. Your copy and paste job is inconsistent.

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(August 17, 2009 at 9:46 pm)dry land fish Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm)The_Truth Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't debate people that copy and paste from a website and then claim "it's their argument". And especially copying and pasting that much information, and then topping it off with a slew of smiley faces is hardly worthy of debate.

I don't debate the existance of God with anyone. I just point and laugh at people like you.

Atheists and Agnostics can't debate the existence of God with anyone. They can't seem to comprehend they are in a position where they can't win. Once you become an atheist, you can no longer argue your point, because you can't prove atheism. Atheism stands on shaky foundations.

Well..we don't talk to imaginary beings. You can't prove there is a God. We also don't believe virgins can have babies, people can walk on water, people can rise from the dead, that a man built a boat and put a male/female pair of every species from the animal kingdom on it and sailed around on a world wide flood for however long. We don't believe some old man went up in the mountains and came back with two rocks that god inscribed the rules for life on with a lightning bolt. We don't think burning bushes can talk to us. LOL I mean talk about shaky foundations. I can go on and post a lot of other just insane rediculous crap that you people believe in. I would think that people would stop believing in God when they hear a virgin had a baby. That got me around the age of nine...since I know it's just not possible. If someone went around babbling that crap today they would end up in a padded cell.

You don't know what the universe was like 13.5 billion years ago because the most educated physicists and astronomers don't know. You obviously aren't as smart as they are...or else you wouldn't be talking to things that aren't real.

(August 17, 2009 at 8:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm)The_Truth Wrote:

(August 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't debate people that copy and paste from a website and then claim "it's their argument". And especially copying and pasting that much information, and then topping it off with a slew of smiley faces is hardly worthy of debate.

He never claimed it was his argument. He pasted a very detailed description of what actually happened (to put it in perspective) and compared it to your Bible's statement of "Let there be light".

His copy and paste job claims 1. Energy/Matter are not eternal. His posting is false, and laughable, at best.

Light is a form of energy, and does not need to be "replenished" once it is it emitted. This is because light is actually made up of an electric field and a magnetic field which produce and support each other as the light beam travels through space.

I suggest he studies, "Big Bang Nucleosynthesis"

This study explains light existed within 3 minutes after the creation of the universe.

(August 17, 2009 at 9:48 pm)The_Truth Wrote: Atheists and Agnostics can't debate the existence of God with anyone. They can't seem to comprehend they are in a position where they can't win. Once you become an atheist, you can no longer argue your point, because you can't prove atheism. Atheism stands on shaky foundations.

Wait, shaky foundation? Atheism is a building now? NO religion is to building as Atheism is to an empty field. We have NOTHING to knock down and we don't particularly like your building because you keep trying to get us inside by repeating crap that most of us already know.

Oh, and I fart in your general direction!

Rhizo

Quote:I suggest he studies, "Big Bang Nucleosynthesis"

You want one of them to study? They'd much rather cling to the big book of fairy tales and pretend that they have a fucking clue what is going on.

(August 17, 2009 at 10:38 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Wait, shaky foundation? Atheism is a building now? NO religion is to building as Atheism is to an empty field.

Yes, a shaky foundation. Atheists claim There is no God, but they cannot seem to understand they can't prove a universal-negative. Which ultimately leaves too much room for error. It's easy to say there is no God. That's the easy way out.

Quote:We have NOTHING to knock down and we don't particularly like your building because you keep trying to get us inside by repeating crap that most of us already know.

I don't quite understand what you're talking about here, but I think you are refering to Christians trying to convert you. Christianity is a relationship with God. Christians can feel the love and compassion of God run through our soul. And it's an awesome feeling that can't be described in to words. What's the harm in a Christian wanting to share this feeling with unbelievers?

Why do atheists reject a feeling of love and compassion?

(August 17, 2009 at 9:48 pm)The_Truth Wrote: Atheists and Agnostics can't debate the existence of God with anyone.

Evidence please.

Quote:They can't seem to comprehend they are in a position where they can't win.

Evidence please.

Quote:Once you become an atheist, you can no longer argue your point, because you can't prove atheism.

Atheists don't have to prove atheism, theists have to prove God first. It's called the burden of proof and you should check it out (Google). If you, indeed, claim to have evidence for God then... : Evidence please.

Quote: Atheism stands on shaky foundations.

You have failed to provide evidence for that here. This post of yours that I'm quoting was just a load of baseless assertions.

EvF

(August 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm)The_Truth Wrote: Yes, a shaky foundation. Atheists claim There is no God, but they cannot seem to understand they can't prove a universal-negative. Which ultimately leaves too much room for error. It's easy to say there is no God. That's the easy way out.

But which god are you following? Do you realize that you are turning your back on so many interesting creatures by following just one god?

Look, we are both atheists, YOU (The_Truth) and I (Rhizomorph13), I just believe in ONE fewer god than you do.

(August 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm)The_Truth Wrote: I don't quite understand what you're talking about here, but I think you are refering to Christians trying to convert you. Christianity is a relationship with God. Christians can feel the love and compassion of God run through our soul. And it's an awesome feeling that can't be described in to words. What's the harm in a Christian wanting to share this feeling with unbelievers?

Why do atheists reject a feeling of love and compassion?

All these phenomena you are talking about are easily simulated with a few beers or if you are really adventurous a few mushrooms.

And to your compound question, "Why do atheists reject a feeling of love and compassion?" It is because god made us that way, who are you to argue with the will of god? Oh, and it burns our heathen skin.

Of course cristians have cornered the market on love and compassion. Just look at divorce statistics.

Hey look! I found your favorite yoga pose!



Keep those ears warm!
Rhizo

(August 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Evidence please.

I've already shown evidence.

Quote:Atheists don't have to prove atheism, theists have to prove God first. If you, indeed, claim to have evidence for God then... : Evidence please.

Yes, I have evidence for God. Have you been paying attention? God=Science. Nothing comes from nothing. That is scientific.

Quote: You have failed to provide evidence for that here. This post of yours that I'm quoting was just a load of baseless assertions.

I think my evidence is pretty clear. I have proven God exists, and I have also proven that light did in fact exist before the sun. In which, all of this was written down thousands and thousands of years ago. It took thousands of years, and endless teams of scientists to create the "Big Bang" model, and they prove light came from the big bang before the Sun.

Didn't a group of Jews write this down 3,500-4,000 years ago?

(August 17, 2009 at 11:03 pm)The_Truth Wrote: I've already shown evidence.

For God? Where?

Quote:Yes, I have evidence for God. Have you been paying attention? God=Science.

God=Science? Well I believe 'Science' exists... does that make me a theist(?)

Quote: Nothing comes from nothing. That is scientific.

Define God then... if you are speaking of simply the universe... then why call it God? Because at what point have you provided evidence for a supernatural creator? You need to show why the beginning has to be God.

EvF Wrote:You have failed to provide evidence for that here. This post of yours that I'm quoting was just a load of baseless assertions.

The_Truth Wrote:I think my evidence is pretty clear. I have proven God exists, and I have also proven that light did in fact exist before the sun. In which, all of this was written down thousands and thousands of years ago. It took thousands of years, and endless teams of scientists to create the "Big Bang" model, and they prove light came from the big bang before the Sun.

1. What I said is true because in that post you did only provide baseless assertions.

2. How does any of this address the question of a supernatural creator? Define God. None of this addresses the God question. Whether there was a beginning or whether matter always existed is irrelevant to the fact you still haven't explained why God is needed. You're not addressing the God question. So no, you haven't provided evidence.

Unless you believe God 'is Science' as you said. But I believe 'Science' exists but that doesn't make me a theist.

EvF